1 00:00:01,609 --> 00:00:05,005 - NARRATOR: D-Day, June 1944. 2 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 3 00:00:06,571 --> 00:00:08,095 The beginning of the end 4 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 5 00:00:08,138 --> 00:00:10,445 of the deadliest conflict in human history. 6 00:00:11,402 --> 00:00:13,274 Before the war, the American military 7 00:00:13,317 --> 00:00:16,538 is ranked the 17th largest in the world. 8 00:00:16,581 --> 00:00:17,626 By the time it ends... 9 00:00:19,149 --> 00:00:20,368 it's number one. 10 00:00:21,586 --> 00:00:23,110 Yet in its quest to remain 11 00:00:23,153 --> 00:00:25,938 the newly minted pre-eminent global superpower, 12 00:00:25,982 --> 00:00:28,115 the United States government engages 13 00:00:28,158 --> 00:00:30,378 in a pattern of covert behavior 14 00:00:30,421 --> 00:00:33,729 that sees it experiment on its own citizens. 15 00:00:33,772 --> 00:00:37,733 Its purpose, increasing America's military might. 16 00:00:37,776 --> 00:00:41,389 - The CIA does not deny that the experiments took place. 17 00:00:41,432 --> 00:00:43,130 - NARRATOR: The depth and breadth of these 18 00:00:43,173 --> 00:00:46,220 government programs is beyond our wildest imagination. 19 00:00:46,263 --> 00:00:49,223 - Many Americans would prefer not to remember 20 00:00:49,266 --> 00:00:51,573 the syphilis study at Tuskegee. 21 00:00:51,616 --> 00:00:53,879 - NARRATOR: And leave many to wonder what other 22 00:00:53,923 --> 00:00:56,491 government secrets remain undiscovered? 23 00:00:57,013 --> 00:00:58,493 In today's climate, 24 00:00:58,536 --> 00:01:00,582 where everything is viewed with skepticism, 25 00:01:00,625 --> 00:01:03,628 the truly evil is easily hidden. 26 00:01:03,672 --> 00:01:05,587 To penetrate this sinister world, 27 00:01:05,630 --> 00:01:09,112 a trio of inspired citizens is ready to find out, 28 00:01:09,156 --> 00:01:10,635 to look beyond the surface, 29 00:01:10,679 --> 00:01:13,421 imagining the unimaginable. 30 00:01:13,464 --> 00:01:15,423 With a hope to uncovering the truth 31 00:01:15,466 --> 00:01:17,729 of America's dark files. 32 00:01:23,300 --> 00:01:24,693 Montauk Point, 33 00:01:24,736 --> 00:01:26,738 the eastern most tip of Long Island. 34 00:01:28,262 --> 00:01:30,002 Just three hours from the big city and bright lights 35 00:01:30,046 --> 00:01:31,743 of Manhattan. 36 00:01:31,787 --> 00:01:33,615 Yet a world unto itself. 37 00:01:35,051 --> 00:01:37,271 Home to a one of a kind radar tower, 38 00:01:37,314 --> 00:01:40,012 a sprawling park called Camp Hero 39 00:01:40,056 --> 00:01:43,233 and an endless collection of unnerving rumors. 40 00:01:45,757 --> 00:01:48,369 Christopher Garetano grew up on the Island. 41 00:01:48,412 --> 00:01:50,197 - I started hearing all these strange 42 00:01:50,240 --> 00:01:53,069 and bizarre stories about Montauk. 43 00:01:53,113 --> 00:01:55,985 A multitude of things that were anomalous 44 00:01:56,028 --> 00:01:57,769 and not normal. 45 00:01:57,813 --> 00:02:00,598 Every 12 seconds the radar tower'd rotate 46 00:02:00,642 --> 00:02:03,601 and there would be animals freaking out 47 00:02:03,645 --> 00:02:06,213 and people getting headaches and bad dreams. 48 00:02:06,256 --> 00:02:07,953 And you know people's electronic equipment 49 00:02:07,997 --> 00:02:09,824 would go haywire. 50 00:02:09,868 --> 00:02:12,393 There would be you know, covert military vans, 51 00:02:12,436 --> 00:02:14,743 helicopters have been around the perimeter. 52 00:02:14,786 --> 00:02:17,659 And of course the Montauk monster. 53 00:02:19,356 --> 00:02:21,184 - NARRATOR: The government states this site 54 00:02:21,228 --> 00:02:24,100 is a shuttered military base that once protected Americans. 55 00:02:24,144 --> 00:02:25,623 But there are also claims 56 00:02:25,667 --> 00:02:27,930 that within Camp Hero's concrete fortresses, 57 00:02:27,973 --> 00:02:31,716 lie the remains of a deep government conspiracy. 58 00:02:35,067 --> 00:02:36,243 - When I was a kid, 59 00:02:36,286 --> 00:02:39,855 my summers would be spent in Montauk. 60 00:02:41,900 --> 00:02:43,337 - NARRATOR: Garetano's history with Camp Hero 61 00:02:43,380 --> 00:02:45,861 goes back to 1983. 62 00:02:45,904 --> 00:02:48,907 Exactly two years after the base is shut down. 63 00:02:48,951 --> 00:02:51,171 - I was maybe eight years old. 64 00:02:52,781 --> 00:02:55,697 And I was walking down the beach with my uncle and my father 65 00:02:55,740 --> 00:02:59,048 looking for shells and I was walking a little further 66 00:02:59,091 --> 00:03:01,093 away from my uncle and my father 67 00:03:01,137 --> 00:03:06,751 and I saw these giant iron, round, 68 00:03:06,795 --> 00:03:09,711 kind of spherical things with spikes sticking out of them. 69 00:03:13,758 --> 00:03:16,587 And that's when this military personnel came out 70 00:03:16,631 --> 00:03:18,241 and he told us to go the other way, 71 00:03:18,285 --> 00:03:19,721 can't go any further. 72 00:03:21,766 --> 00:03:23,203 - NARRATOR: A decommissioned base that still 73 00:03:23,246 --> 00:03:24,987 secures its perimeter, 74 00:03:25,030 --> 00:03:28,208 Garetano and his father find the contradiction puzzling. 75 00:03:28,251 --> 00:03:30,079 - That moment was extremely important 76 00:03:30,122 --> 00:03:32,951 because that's when my curiosity began. 77 00:03:32,995 --> 00:03:35,563 I thought if the base is closed down, 78 00:03:35,606 --> 00:03:37,217 why is it so tightly guarded? 79 00:03:37,260 --> 00:03:38,653 What are they hiding? 80 00:03:38,696 --> 00:03:40,263 - NARRATOR: He makes over 100 trips here 81 00:03:40,307 --> 00:03:42,265 in the ensuing years to find out. 82 00:03:42,309 --> 00:03:44,833 And he isn't alone in his curiosity. 83 00:03:44,876 --> 00:03:46,530 Over the years, 84 00:03:46,574 --> 00:03:48,837 swarms of people breach the tower's gated perimeter. 85 00:03:51,405 --> 00:03:53,537 Hoping to get below ground and search for answers 86 00:03:53,581 --> 00:03:55,800 to Montauk's bizarre mysteries 87 00:03:55,844 --> 00:03:58,890 before being chased away by its tight security. 88 00:04:02,329 --> 00:04:06,507 In 1992, years of rumors, speculation, and innuendo 89 00:04:06,550 --> 00:04:09,684 find a common voice when a book is published called, 90 00:04:09,727 --> 00:04:11,773 The Montauk Project . 91 00:04:11,816 --> 00:04:13,731 - The Montauk Project at its core 92 00:04:13,775 --> 00:04:17,213 is a collection of everything you could possibly think of 93 00:04:17,257 --> 00:04:20,303 in the world of paranormal and conspiratorial ideas. 94 00:04:20,346 --> 00:04:21,957 Children being kidnapped in a secret 95 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:24,394 government mind control project. 96 00:04:24,438 --> 00:04:27,397 Then there's aspects of the alien thing and time travel 97 00:04:27,441 --> 00:04:31,009 and all of these different ideas that are integrated 98 00:04:31,053 --> 00:04:33,447 with this idea of mind control. 99 00:04:35,623 --> 00:04:37,407 - NARRATOR: Preston Nichols is the author and architect 100 00:04:37,451 --> 00:04:39,322 ofThe Montauk Project . 101 00:04:39,366 --> 00:04:41,933 And according to people who knew him in the 1980s, 102 00:04:41,977 --> 00:04:45,415 a brilliant scientist with a wide following. 103 00:04:45,459 --> 00:04:47,330 His book provides a suite of explanations 104 00:04:47,374 --> 00:04:49,376 to Montauk's many legends. 105 00:04:49,419 --> 00:04:51,552 And further feeds the rumor mill. 106 00:04:53,118 --> 00:04:54,337 Were children pulled off the streets 107 00:04:54,381 --> 00:04:55,730 of surrounding communities 108 00:04:55,773 --> 00:04:57,601 and used in mind control experiments 109 00:04:57,645 --> 00:04:59,429 at Camp Hero? 110 00:04:59,473 --> 00:05:01,431 Did this base and its purported underground 111 00:05:01,475 --> 00:05:04,869 once serve as a venue for time travel? 112 00:05:06,131 --> 00:05:07,611 Why did the military depart this place 113 00:05:07,655 --> 00:05:09,265 with such abandon? 114 00:05:09,309 --> 00:05:11,136 And why is it's former nerve center 115 00:05:11,180 --> 00:05:13,443 still off limits? 116 00:05:13,487 --> 00:05:15,706 What is the American government hiding? 117 00:05:15,750 --> 00:05:17,317 And is Camp Hero the site 118 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:21,016 of yet another official government cover up? 119 00:05:24,541 --> 00:05:26,326 As Garetano tries to answer these questions 120 00:05:26,369 --> 00:05:27,762 over the years, 121 00:05:27,805 --> 00:05:30,286 he immerses himself in Montauk, 122 00:05:30,330 --> 00:05:31,983 a personal investigation 123 00:05:32,027 --> 00:05:34,943 that becomes a decade long obsession. 124 00:05:34,986 --> 00:05:37,598 And he documents it all on film. 125 00:05:37,641 --> 00:05:39,774 - It was after I learned about MKUltra 126 00:05:39,817 --> 00:05:41,515 and it was after I learned about 127 00:05:41,558 --> 00:05:43,734 government programs that actually happened 128 00:05:43,778 --> 00:05:46,171 that I became obsessed. 129 00:05:46,215 --> 00:05:48,391 It was like everything you learned in science fiction 130 00:05:48,435 --> 00:05:50,045 is now real. 131 00:05:50,088 --> 00:05:52,090 I actually started to believe what was being told to me. 132 00:05:53,396 --> 00:05:55,311 - NARRATOR: Garetano compiles his years of footage 133 00:05:55,355 --> 00:06:00,011 into a 2015 documentary called theMontauk Chronicles . 134 00:06:00,055 --> 00:06:01,665 Allowing Nichols and his supporters 135 00:06:01,709 --> 00:06:04,233 to tell their story in detail. 136 00:06:04,276 --> 00:06:06,627 But Garetano believes the Montauk mystery 137 00:06:06,670 --> 00:06:08,542 goes much deeper than that. 138 00:06:08,585 --> 00:06:10,413 And he thinks there's evidence to be found 139 00:06:10,457 --> 00:06:13,285 that will either prove or disprove this story 140 00:06:13,329 --> 00:06:14,722 once and for all. 141 00:06:15,636 --> 00:06:17,464 - What keeps me up at night regarding 142 00:06:17,507 --> 00:06:19,553 this whole thing is that I believe 143 00:06:19,596 --> 00:06:21,903 at least some of it is true. 144 00:06:21,946 --> 00:06:23,948 And that I'd like to prove it. 145 00:06:23,992 --> 00:06:27,125 I think it's really important that I either put it to rest 146 00:06:27,169 --> 00:06:29,345 or we prove that it- it happened. 147 00:06:30,955 --> 00:06:33,175 - NARRATOR: A fresh active investigation 148 00:06:33,218 --> 00:06:36,047 into the incredible allegations at Montauk. 149 00:06:36,091 --> 00:06:38,485 To assist him, Garetano is bringing 150 00:06:38,528 --> 00:06:41,662 in two men who offer a wide array of experiences 151 00:06:41,705 --> 00:06:44,404 from opposite ends of the spectrum. 152 00:06:44,447 --> 00:06:45,927 - My name is Barry Eisler, 153 00:06:45,970 --> 00:06:48,146 I spent three years in a covert position 154 00:06:48,190 --> 00:06:49,365 with the CIA. 155 00:06:49,409 --> 00:06:52,586 These days I write novels full time, 156 00:06:52,629 --> 00:06:53,717 political thrillers. 157 00:06:55,153 --> 00:06:56,372 - NARRATOR: Eisler's time at the Agency 158 00:06:56,416 --> 00:06:58,461 afforded him a unique look inside 159 00:06:58,505 --> 00:07:00,637 the belly of the American government. 160 00:07:00,681 --> 00:07:02,987 - Based on my own experiences in the CIA, 161 00:07:03,031 --> 00:07:04,902 and based on the public record, 162 00:07:04,946 --> 00:07:07,775 you can see the sort of group think that would take hold 163 00:07:07,818 --> 00:07:10,560 and allow people to suspend what they would otherwise 164 00:07:10,604 --> 00:07:13,084 consider to be their ethical base, 165 00:07:13,128 --> 00:07:16,653 their own morality in the name of say national security 166 00:07:16,697 --> 00:07:19,047 and wind up doing some terrible things. 167 00:07:20,265 --> 00:07:21,571 - NARRATOR: To counter Eisler, 168 00:07:21,615 --> 00:07:23,921 Garetano finds a well-known skeptic. 169 00:07:23,965 --> 00:07:25,314 - My name's Steve Volk. 170 00:07:25,357 --> 00:07:27,098 I'm a contributing editor at Discover Magazine, 171 00:07:27,142 --> 00:07:29,274 a writer at large at Philadelphia Magazine, 172 00:07:29,318 --> 00:07:31,407 and a contributor to the Washington Post. 173 00:07:31,451 --> 00:07:32,713 - NARRATOR: Respected in Philly 174 00:07:32,756 --> 00:07:34,279 as a hard hitting crime reporter, 175 00:07:34,323 --> 00:07:36,412 a skeptical Volk is known nationally 176 00:07:36,456 --> 00:07:38,458 as the author ofFringe-ology 177 00:07:38,501 --> 00:07:40,721 a critically acclaimed work of non-fiction 178 00:07:40,764 --> 00:07:43,811 that attempts to explain away the paranormal. 179 00:07:43,854 --> 00:07:45,465 - Usually people stay away from something 180 00:07:45,508 --> 00:07:46,770 this fringe-y. 181 00:07:46,814 --> 00:07:48,990 But you've gotta leave the door open 182 00:07:49,033 --> 00:07:50,557 to a story like this. 183 00:07:50,600 --> 00:07:53,429 When there's so many people who believe it 184 00:07:53,473 --> 00:07:56,737 who are orienting their lives around it, 185 00:07:56,780 --> 00:07:59,870 it's up to the rest of us I think to engage. 186 00:08:00,654 --> 00:08:01,916 - NARRATOR: Garetano knows both men 187 00:08:01,959 --> 00:08:04,005 have at least one thing in common. 188 00:08:04,048 --> 00:08:06,268 A deep knowledge of the American government's 189 00:08:06,311 --> 00:08:08,313 pattern of questionable behavior 190 00:08:08,357 --> 00:08:11,099 in the name of geopolitical superiority. 191 00:08:13,580 --> 00:08:16,017 - The reason that Americans are so interested 192 00:08:16,060 --> 00:08:20,456 in conspiracy theories is that conspiracies happen. 193 00:08:20,500 --> 00:08:22,589 - Look at real historical incidents 194 00:08:22,632 --> 00:08:25,809 like the Tuskegee syphilis experiments. 195 00:08:25,853 --> 00:08:27,681 - It's one of the most shameful episodes 196 00:08:27,724 --> 00:08:29,509 in American history. 197 00:08:29,552 --> 00:08:31,119 - NARRATOR: The Tuskegee syphilis study 198 00:08:31,162 --> 00:08:34,470 ran from 1932 to 1972. 199 00:08:34,514 --> 00:08:36,080 It's purpose? 200 00:08:36,124 --> 00:08:38,474 Observe the natural progression of untreated syphilis 201 00:08:38,518 --> 00:08:42,043 in 600 African-American men in Alabama. 202 00:08:42,086 --> 00:08:44,741 Under the guise that these men would receive free healthcare 203 00:08:44,785 --> 00:08:46,569 from the U.S. government. 204 00:08:46,613 --> 00:08:48,571 - They were just allowed to suffer and die 205 00:08:48,615 --> 00:08:51,052 from the disease so that the scientists could just observe 206 00:08:51,095 --> 00:08:53,533 what happens if you have untreated syphilis. 207 00:08:53,576 --> 00:08:55,578 - What the United States government did 208 00:08:55,622 --> 00:09:00,496 was shameful and I am sorry. 209 00:09:01,541 --> 00:09:02,977 - Sounds like something out of a movie 210 00:09:03,020 --> 00:09:04,456 but it's real. 211 00:09:04,500 --> 00:09:06,154 - NARRATOR: Real... only because it was 212 00:09:06,197 --> 00:09:10,550 proven so by whistleblowers 40 years after it began. 213 00:09:10,593 --> 00:09:14,118 Tuskegee is one example of many in American history. 214 00:09:14,162 --> 00:09:17,426 - What we've seen ever since World War II 215 00:09:17,469 --> 00:09:20,255 is not any kind of downsizing of these programs 216 00:09:20,298 --> 00:09:21,996 but their continued growth. 217 00:09:22,039 --> 00:09:23,780 - In the councils of government, 218 00:09:23,824 --> 00:09:25,303 we must guard against 219 00:09:25,347 --> 00:09:27,871 the military industrial complex. 220 00:09:29,220 --> 00:09:31,440 - The phrase the military industrial complex, 221 00:09:31,483 --> 00:09:32,702 the idea is this, 222 00:09:32,746 --> 00:09:35,009 it's a synergistic relationship 223 00:09:35,052 --> 00:09:37,359 between the military on the one hand 224 00:09:37,402 --> 00:09:41,058 and the private corporations that supply 225 00:09:41,102 --> 00:09:44,322 the military with its hardware on the other. 226 00:09:44,366 --> 00:09:46,368 - The potential for the disastrous rise 227 00:09:46,411 --> 00:09:49,980 of misplaced power exists and will persist. 228 00:09:50,024 --> 00:09:52,113 - The more we learn about history, 229 00:09:52,156 --> 00:09:53,984 I am forced to conclude 230 00:09:54,028 --> 00:09:56,291 that the U.S. government is perfectly capable 231 00:09:56,334 --> 00:09:59,468 of doing barbarous stuff 232 00:09:59,511 --> 00:10:00,643 in the name of science, 233 00:10:00,687 --> 00:10:03,211 in the name of national security. 234 00:10:03,254 --> 00:10:07,215 So, if we're going to dispassionately, logically, 235 00:10:07,258 --> 00:10:10,566 and as objectively as possible evaluate 236 00:10:10,610 --> 00:10:12,655 allegations of human experimentation 237 00:10:12,699 --> 00:10:15,484 at Camp Hero in Montauk, 238 00:10:15,527 --> 00:10:17,965 we can't do that in an historical vacuum. 239 00:10:18,008 --> 00:10:19,836 - NARRATOR: Yet the question remains: 240 00:10:19,880 --> 00:10:22,578 Is there any hard proof to show that unspeakable behavior 241 00:10:22,622 --> 00:10:25,625 occurred at Camp Hero in Montauk? 242 00:10:25,668 --> 00:10:27,452 Is yet another government conspiracy 243 00:10:27,496 --> 00:10:28,976 ready to be uncovered? 244 00:10:32,240 --> 00:10:33,981 Day one of the investigation. 245 00:10:34,024 --> 00:10:35,591 Arrival at Camp Hero 246 00:10:35,635 --> 00:10:37,724 and Eisler and Volk's first times seeing 247 00:10:37,767 --> 00:10:39,900 the radar tower in person. 248 00:10:39,943 --> 00:10:42,032 - From here it looks like some alien thing. 249 00:10:42,076 --> 00:10:43,860 - Yeah, it look ominous from here. 250 00:10:43,904 --> 00:10:45,601 - NARRATOR: Once a military base, 251 00:10:45,645 --> 00:10:48,560 the site today consists of over 400 acres 252 00:10:48,604 --> 00:10:50,127 of wooded parkland. 253 00:10:50,171 --> 00:10:52,869 The radar tower is situated almost dead center 254 00:10:52,913 --> 00:10:54,697 within the park. 255 00:10:56,438 --> 00:10:58,440 - There's that big old beast. 256 00:10:58,483 --> 00:11:00,050 It's a ghost of World War II you know. 257 00:11:00,094 --> 00:11:02,183 A total relic. 258 00:11:03,750 --> 00:11:07,536 - NARRATOR: And is ground zero for the conspiracy theory. 259 00:11:07,579 --> 00:11:09,930 - CHRIS: This is where they say allegedly underneath 260 00:11:09,973 --> 00:11:12,541 the ground everything was happening. 261 00:11:12,584 --> 00:11:14,412 And again, you know, 262 00:11:14,456 --> 00:11:16,414 if you listen to all the people that tell this story 263 00:11:16,458 --> 00:11:18,025 that say they were part of it, 264 00:11:18,068 --> 00:11:20,418 they're not saying it happened above ground. 265 00:11:20,462 --> 00:11:21,942 I mean, very few things did in regard 266 00:11:21,985 --> 00:11:23,378 to the Montauk Project. 267 00:11:23,421 --> 00:11:25,075 They're saying it happened beneath the ground, 268 00:11:25,119 --> 00:11:26,294 deep beneath the ground. 269 00:11:27,817 --> 00:11:29,514 - NARRATOR: Beneath the ground at Camp Hero, 270 00:11:29,558 --> 00:11:32,213 if the rumors are true, buried under the radar tower, 271 00:11:32,256 --> 00:11:34,694 exists the most complex and powerful 272 00:11:34,737 --> 00:11:37,218 secret laboratory in U.S. history. 273 00:11:37,261 --> 00:11:39,568 And it's purpose is mind bending. 274 00:11:40,395 --> 00:11:42,745 Using the radars powerful radio frequencies, 275 00:11:42,789 --> 00:11:45,835 scientists get inside the human mind. 276 00:11:45,879 --> 00:11:47,358 Tapping into consciousness 277 00:11:47,402 --> 00:11:49,621 and reading people's thoughts. 278 00:11:49,665 --> 00:11:51,928 Then applying technology supposedly 279 00:11:51,972 --> 00:11:53,887 given to them by aliens, 280 00:11:53,930 --> 00:11:56,019 these scientists create what becomes known 281 00:11:56,063 --> 00:11:57,891 as the Montauk chair 282 00:11:57,934 --> 00:11:59,631 which projects these thoughts 283 00:11:59,675 --> 00:12:02,156 to a remote location. 284 00:12:02,199 --> 00:12:05,246 But this chair proves eminently functional. 285 00:12:05,289 --> 00:12:09,337 It also is said to have opened up a vortex for time travel. 286 00:12:09,380 --> 00:12:12,644 - The official word is there's nothing underground. 287 00:12:12,688 --> 00:12:14,995 But I really think there's something to hide there. 288 00:12:15,038 --> 00:12:16,518 I think it's really important that 289 00:12:16,561 --> 00:12:18,302 we try and break through the cement. 290 00:12:18,346 --> 00:12:20,914 That we look deep inside the base. 291 00:12:20,957 --> 00:12:23,394 If we can look underground 60, 70 feet, 292 00:12:23,438 --> 00:12:26,354 it's a way we can prove or disprove the project. 293 00:12:26,397 --> 00:12:28,138 If we can find something the country 294 00:12:28,182 --> 00:12:30,750 would have a whole new perspective on our history. 295 00:12:33,100 --> 00:12:35,842 - NARRATOR: Is the truth buried below Camp Hero? 296 00:12:35,885 --> 00:12:37,365 According to locals and others who 297 00:12:37,408 --> 00:12:39,454 snuck inside before the park service secured 298 00:12:39,497 --> 00:12:41,456 its exposed entrances, 299 00:12:41,499 --> 00:12:43,806 there exists a complex system 300 00:12:43,850 --> 00:12:46,809 of interconnected, multi-level tunnels. 301 00:12:46,853 --> 00:12:48,463 Yet the blueprints of the base 302 00:12:48,506 --> 00:12:50,030 made available to the public 303 00:12:50,073 --> 00:12:53,076 show no interconnectivity at all. 304 00:12:54,643 --> 00:12:57,167 - So much of this story hinges on the idea that there's 305 00:12:57,211 --> 00:13:00,127 tunnels and secret rooms, 306 00:13:00,170 --> 00:13:02,956 this vast underground network underneath Montauk. 307 00:13:02,999 --> 00:13:05,393 So, as part of our investigation, 308 00:13:05,436 --> 00:13:08,135 we applied for a permit from Camp Hero 309 00:13:08,178 --> 00:13:10,528 to go underground. 310 00:13:10,572 --> 00:13:12,574 - Why is this separate from the rest of it? 311 00:13:12,617 --> 00:13:14,141 - And they denied that request. 312 00:13:14,184 --> 00:13:15,707 - I've seen a lot of different shows 313 00:13:15,751 --> 00:13:17,274 where people go into abandoned buildings 314 00:13:17,318 --> 00:13:19,059 or hazardous places 315 00:13:19,102 --> 00:13:21,844 and as long as there's safety measures taken, 316 00:13:21,888 --> 00:13:23,193 people do it. 317 00:13:23,237 --> 00:13:25,805 Why can't we go into Camp Hero? 318 00:13:27,545 --> 00:13:28,982 There's something they don't want us to know. 319 00:13:34,335 --> 00:13:37,555 a scenic hamlet in Long Island's luxurious Hamptons. 320 00:13:37,599 --> 00:13:41,037 To others, the sight of an deep government conspiracy. 321 00:13:42,691 --> 00:13:46,260 - Most locals will automatically dismiss this 322 00:13:46,303 --> 00:13:48,392 as a joke or as a hoax. 323 00:13:48,436 --> 00:13:52,788 But it's like you living next door to John Wayne Gassy 324 00:13:52,832 --> 00:13:55,530 for 30 years thinking he's this wonderful, 325 00:13:55,573 --> 00:13:58,925 jovial man who couldn't possibly hurt anybody. 326 00:13:58,968 --> 00:14:02,276 But under your nose for 30 years he's been killing people 327 00:14:02,319 --> 00:14:04,626 and burying them underneath the crawlspace 328 00:14:04,669 --> 00:14:05,845 and that's right next door. 329 00:14:07,368 --> 00:14:08,891 - NARRATOR: Filmmaker Christopher Garetano 330 00:14:08,935 --> 00:14:11,589 has spent a decade investing Camp Hero 331 00:14:11,633 --> 00:14:14,549 and has invited former Central Intelligence Agency 332 00:14:14,592 --> 00:14:17,595 operative Barry Eisler, a diligent truth seeker 333 00:14:17,639 --> 00:14:20,555 and journalist and author Steve Volk, 334 00:14:20,598 --> 00:14:23,297 a healthy skeptic to join him in looking into 335 00:14:23,340 --> 00:14:25,690 the Montauk Project's claims. 336 00:14:25,734 --> 00:14:29,346 - Rumors and allegations about what went on at Montauk 337 00:14:29,390 --> 00:14:32,523 range from the easy to believe I think 338 00:14:32,567 --> 00:14:35,570 to the much more difficult to believe. 339 00:14:36,876 --> 00:14:40,140 - The Montauk Conspiracy includes everything from 340 00:14:40,183 --> 00:14:44,448 aliens, time travel, mind control, to Nazis, 341 00:14:44,492 --> 00:14:47,843 brainwashing, implanted memories and erased memories. 342 00:14:49,801 --> 00:14:51,499 Gonna be fun to dig into it. 343 00:14:51,542 --> 00:14:53,196 - NARRATOR: Yet according to the official record, 344 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:56,330 Camp Hero is something else entirely. 345 00:14:57,853 --> 00:14:59,681 Originally commissioned by the United States Army 346 00:14:59,724 --> 00:15:03,337 during World War II, this remote ocean side camp 347 00:15:03,380 --> 00:15:06,644 is disguised as a fishing village with two behemoth 348 00:15:06,688 --> 00:15:10,344 16 inch, 66 foot guns protecting New York 349 00:15:10,387 --> 00:15:12,085 from German U-boats. 350 00:15:14,261 --> 00:15:17,481 In 1958 during the Cold War, Camp Hero becomes 351 00:15:17,525 --> 00:15:19,962 an integral part of America's semi-automatic 352 00:15:20,006 --> 00:15:23,792 ground environment system, aka, Sage Radar. 353 00:15:23,835 --> 00:15:27,361 The base is transferred to the United States Air Force. 354 00:15:27,404 --> 00:15:29,145 Montauk's tower is the mother station 355 00:15:29,189 --> 00:15:31,452 to a series of smaller manned radars 356 00:15:31,495 --> 00:15:35,369 sitting on platforms in the ocean along the East Coast. 357 00:15:35,412 --> 00:15:37,849 This iron shield provides U.S. forces 358 00:15:37,893 --> 00:15:40,200 with an extra 30 minutes of warning time 359 00:15:40,243 --> 00:15:43,464 in the event of an incoming Soviet nuclear attack. 360 00:15:44,378 --> 00:15:46,423 Only 12 of these massive tower systems were installed 361 00:15:46,467 --> 00:15:48,512 across the United States. 362 00:15:48,556 --> 00:15:52,560 Today, the tower at Montauk is the only one left standing 363 00:15:52,603 --> 00:15:55,084 and is a national historic monument. 364 00:15:56,259 --> 00:15:58,087 But it has also become a monument to possibly 365 00:15:58,131 --> 00:16:02,135 the darkest alleged government conspiracy in U.S. history. 366 00:16:04,006 --> 00:16:06,052 One of the earliest spokesman of this legend 367 00:16:06,095 --> 00:16:08,010 was a man named Al Bielek. 368 00:16:08,054 --> 00:16:10,926 Garetano meets Bielek in 2006 369 00:16:10,970 --> 00:16:13,146 while working on his documentary. 370 00:16:13,189 --> 00:16:15,800 In the late 80s, Bielek comes forward with 371 00:16:15,844 --> 00:16:18,194 recovered memories of working as a scientist 372 00:16:18,238 --> 00:16:20,240 on the Philadelphia Experiment. 373 00:16:20,283 --> 00:16:22,720 A forerunner to the Montauk Project. 374 00:16:24,244 --> 00:16:27,464 - The Philadelphia Experiment is an incident in which 375 00:16:27,508 --> 00:16:29,379 the U.S. government is alleged to have tried 376 00:16:29,423 --> 00:16:32,339 to deploy a new radar cloaking technology 377 00:16:32,382 --> 00:16:35,037 on a Navy ship called the Eldridge, 378 00:16:35,081 --> 00:16:36,908 inadvertently having sent this ship 379 00:16:36,952 --> 00:16:40,086 in some sort of time travel. 380 00:16:41,826 --> 00:16:43,350 - NARRATOR: While the story states that the Eldridge 381 00:16:43,393 --> 00:16:45,830 traveled only a few seconds through time 382 00:16:45,874 --> 00:16:48,398 Bielek claims that he was on the ship 383 00:16:48,442 --> 00:16:51,358 and it actually traveled 40 years into the future, 384 00:16:51,401 --> 00:16:53,621 ending up in Montauk. 385 00:16:54,926 --> 00:16:57,364 - We could go across galaxies to the other side of the galaxy 386 00:16:57,407 --> 00:17:00,062 which was longer than 25,000 light years 387 00:17:00,106 --> 00:17:01,759 in two or three seconds. 388 00:17:01,803 --> 00:17:07,852 [dramatic music] 389 00:17:07,896 --> 00:17:10,071 - NARRATOR: As the men wind their way through Camp Hero 390 00:17:10,116 --> 00:17:12,770 to an area Bielek claims is a hot spot, 391 00:17:12,814 --> 00:17:14,598 they come across a man who appears to be 392 00:17:14,642 --> 00:17:16,599 some kind of park worker. 393 00:17:18,253 --> 00:17:19,473 - CHRIS: We have a question, you're working with 394 00:17:19,516 --> 00:17:21,214 the Army Corps of Engineers sir? 395 00:17:21,257 --> 00:17:22,780 - WORKER: Well that's our client. 396 00:17:22,824 --> 00:17:24,260 - CHRIS: So what exactly are they doing today? 397 00:17:24,304 --> 00:17:25,827 - They just you know 'cause this used to be 398 00:17:25,869 --> 00:17:27,175 a former military base. 399 00:17:27,220 --> 00:17:29,222 We just do surveys to see if there's 400 00:17:29,265 --> 00:17:31,920 any other hazardous materials still out there. 401 00:17:31,963 --> 00:17:33,052 - Are you aware of the conspiracy 402 00:17:33,095 --> 00:17:34,444 surrounding this base. 403 00:17:34,488 --> 00:17:36,185 - Actually I got more on my team that's 404 00:17:36,229 --> 00:17:38,579 actually working up there at the radar tower right now 405 00:17:38,622 --> 00:17:41,756 and that's supposed to be the main room where, 406 00:17:41,799 --> 00:17:43,105 there's supposed to be a bunker beneath 407 00:17:43,149 --> 00:17:44,237 where they had all the time travel experiments 408 00:17:44,280 --> 00:17:45,499 and that kind of weird stuff. 409 00:17:45,542 --> 00:17:46,630 So I'm not really sure, I'm not positive. 410 00:17:46,674 --> 00:17:48,110 I'm really low on the totem pole here. 411 00:17:48,154 --> 00:17:49,720 I'm just out, I'm just a field botanist. 412 00:17:49,764 --> 00:17:52,071 I don't know the exact details. 413 00:17:54,073 --> 00:17:56,553 - NARRATOR: The trio wrap up their spontaneous interview. 414 00:17:56,597 --> 00:17:58,077 - CHRIS: You guys you hearing all the drilling 415 00:17:58,120 --> 00:17:59,687 and everything to our left? 416 00:17:59,730 --> 00:18:02,168 See over there, that's where they're working right there. 417 00:18:02,211 --> 00:18:03,169 Yeah. 418 00:18:03,952 --> 00:18:06,302 According to Steve the botanist. 419 00:18:06,346 --> 00:18:08,565 - NARRATOR: An interview raises more questions 420 00:18:08,609 --> 00:18:10,611 than it answers. 421 00:18:10,654 --> 00:18:13,396 After the botanist brings up a supposed underground 422 00:18:13,440 --> 00:18:16,138 that allegedly once served as a venue 423 00:18:16,182 --> 00:18:18,923 for time travel experimentation. 424 00:18:18,967 --> 00:18:20,925 - Not that I'm a conspiracy theorist, 425 00:18:20,969 --> 00:18:23,493 it's just, we filed for a permit several months ago, 426 00:18:23,537 --> 00:18:25,756 they knew we were gonna be here. 427 00:18:25,800 --> 00:18:27,236 I'm mean it could be a coincidence, 428 00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:29,978 but it's just kind a weird that three months ago 429 00:18:30,021 --> 00:18:32,285 give or take these guys knew we were gonna be out here 430 00:18:32,328 --> 00:18:34,374 doing some kind of investigation. 431 00:18:34,417 --> 00:18:37,551 And at the same time we arrive, they've got the Army 432 00:18:37,594 --> 00:18:39,553 Corps of Engineers out here. - Right. 433 00:18:39,596 --> 00:18:45,167 [dramatic music] 434 00:18:45,211 --> 00:18:47,343 - BARRY: Oh man, that's beautiful. 435 00:18:47,387 --> 00:18:49,563 - STEVE: Yeah, it's gorgeous. 436 00:18:49,606 --> 00:18:51,304 It's very hard for me to have dark thoughts 437 00:18:51,347 --> 00:18:53,175 looking out at this. 438 00:18:53,219 --> 00:18:54,524 - NARRATOR: The men arrive at a bluff 439 00:18:54,568 --> 00:18:56,265 on the park's eastern most edge, 440 00:18:56,309 --> 00:18:58,441 about a mile away from the radar tower 441 00:18:58,485 --> 00:19:02,097 and some 75 feet above the Atlantic Ocean. 442 00:19:02,141 --> 00:19:04,491 This is the location Al Bielek claims 443 00:19:04,534 --> 00:19:08,495 is linked by Montauk's underground tunnel system. 444 00:19:08,538 --> 00:19:12,151 [suspenseful music] 445 00:19:12,194 --> 00:19:14,631 - You walk into the entrance of this thing in the, 446 00:19:14,675 --> 00:19:18,026 opening in the wall when it's operating. 447 00:19:18,069 --> 00:19:21,725 You get sucked in, you come out the other end, 448 00:19:21,769 --> 00:19:23,901 get dumped on the ground sort of. 449 00:19:23,945 --> 00:19:25,207 And uh... 450 00:19:27,949 --> 00:19:31,126 125,000 light years and you're on another planetary system 451 00:19:31,170 --> 00:19:33,650 on the opposite side of the galaxy. 452 00:19:34,999 --> 00:19:36,697 - He said that these strange energetic devices 453 00:19:36,740 --> 00:19:39,265 that generated power for a time travel device. 454 00:19:39,308 --> 00:19:42,877 It was partially buried deep in the soil. 455 00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:45,140 It's right out here where you're looking 456 00:19:45,184 --> 00:19:47,229 is where Al Bielek said the USS Eldridge 457 00:19:47,273 --> 00:19:51,842 appeared briefly in 1983 and then disappeared right here. 458 00:19:51,886 --> 00:19:54,715 - Chris's position seems to be that is where 459 00:19:54,758 --> 00:19:57,239 the time travel aspect of the Montauk Experiment 460 00:19:57,283 --> 00:19:58,762 would have taken place. 461 00:19:58,806 --> 00:20:03,245 Somewhere underground by some unknown technology. 462 00:20:03,289 --> 00:20:05,987 I know that it's a theoretical scientific 463 00:20:06,030 --> 00:20:08,685 possibility for sure, 464 00:20:08,729 --> 00:20:11,601 but I also know that as a practical matter 465 00:20:11,645 --> 00:20:14,387 we don't really know that we'll ever actually be able to do it 466 00:20:14,430 --> 00:20:17,346 and send people backward or forward in time. 467 00:20:17,390 --> 00:20:19,566 - NARRATOR: If the skeptic Volk agrees that time travel 468 00:20:19,609 --> 00:20:22,743 is a theoretical scientific possibility, 469 00:20:22,786 --> 00:20:25,267 couldn't it also be possible that Al Bielek 470 00:20:25,311 --> 00:20:27,182 and others in the Montauk Project 471 00:20:27,226 --> 00:20:29,576 found a scientific answer? 472 00:20:29,619 --> 00:20:31,534 - Okay, let's talk about the time travel thing. 473 00:20:31,578 --> 00:20:35,234 If you rewind back 100 years, we thought we knew everything. 474 00:20:35,277 --> 00:20:37,801 All of the technology and things we've discovered 475 00:20:37,845 --> 00:20:41,370 between now and then we once science fiction. 476 00:20:41,414 --> 00:20:46,897 So why is it so unbelievable or unfathomable 477 00:20:46,941 --> 00:20:50,031 to consider all of the other more 478 00:20:50,074 --> 00:20:52,642 elaborate aspects of this whole story? 479 00:20:52,686 --> 00:20:54,165 - NARRATOR: If what Bielek claims is true, 480 00:20:54,209 --> 00:20:56,298 then underneath this remote bluff 481 00:20:56,342 --> 00:20:59,170 exists time travel capabilities. 482 00:20:59,214 --> 00:21:01,825 Could there be a way to peer into the rock and soil 483 00:21:01,869 --> 00:21:04,263 and see evidence of such structures 484 00:21:04,306 --> 00:21:06,917 without breaking the terms of the park permit? 485 00:21:06,961 --> 00:21:10,443 If such a capability exists, would there be proof 486 00:21:10,486 --> 00:21:12,488 of a network of interconnected tunnels 487 00:21:12,532 --> 00:21:14,925 to and from the radar tower? 488 00:21:16,100 --> 00:21:18,015 To find a potential link between the two, 489 00:21:18,059 --> 00:21:21,976 the men return to the beating heart of the conspiracy. 490 00:21:22,019 --> 00:21:23,847 - We check with the people in charge 491 00:21:23,891 --> 00:21:27,111 and they say absolutely no way and we're not allowed to go. 492 00:21:27,155 --> 00:21:29,288 They're up our asses the whole time. 493 00:21:29,331 --> 00:21:31,028 Not letting us go anywhere. 494 00:21:31,072 --> 00:21:33,292 Alright, so let's hop the fence. 495 00:21:33,335 --> 00:21:35,555 - It's such a temptation... 496 00:21:35,598 --> 00:21:38,209 so appealing. 497 00:21:38,253 --> 00:21:40,429 - NARRATOR: Each of the men know that just a brief glimpse 498 00:21:40,473 --> 00:21:42,953 beyond these secure gates may provide the answer 499 00:21:42,997 --> 00:21:44,433 to this mystery, 500 00:21:44,477 --> 00:21:47,349 but if they're caught, a permit revocation 501 00:21:47,393 --> 00:21:49,569 and possible arrest. 502 00:21:49,612 --> 00:21:52,180 - CHRIS: So many times I've been over this fence. 503 00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:56,663 We get so used to it that we don't even care anymore, 504 00:21:56,706 --> 00:21:58,317 it's like Eric look, anyone coming. 505 00:21:58,360 --> 00:22:01,885 Nope, jump the fence, go, run, grab our gear. 506 00:22:01,929 --> 00:22:05,062 I have footage of us hopping this fence many times. 507 00:22:06,673 --> 00:22:09,023 You just step on this chain over here. 508 00:22:09,066 --> 00:22:11,678 [fence creaking] 509 00:22:11,721 --> 00:22:13,941 - BARRY: It's moving around a lot, are you sure? 510 00:22:13,984 --> 00:22:15,290 - PARK WORKER: Excuse me, 511 00:22:15,334 --> 00:22:19,076 you guys gotta come outta there. 512 00:22:19,120 --> 00:22:20,817 The Montauk Project, 513 00:22:20,861 --> 00:22:22,993 An alleged government conspiracy, 514 00:22:23,037 --> 00:22:25,387 that claims below this former military base 515 00:22:25,431 --> 00:22:26,997 at the tip of New York, 516 00:22:27,041 --> 00:22:29,348 a covert government program was housed 517 00:22:29,391 --> 00:22:33,090 that saw experiments in time travel and mind control. 518 00:22:33,134 --> 00:22:36,529 If proven true, this tale speaks to the worst of man, 519 00:22:36,572 --> 00:22:40,097 and the darkest depths of the American government. 520 00:22:42,448 --> 00:22:44,798 The men know that getting into the radar tower, 521 00:22:44,841 --> 00:22:47,453 an enclosed area where no one is permitted access, 522 00:22:47,496 --> 00:22:50,630 is key to their investigation. 523 00:22:50,673 --> 00:22:52,066 - PARK WORKER: Excuse me. 524 00:22:52,109 --> 00:22:54,460 You guys gotta come out of there. 525 00:22:54,503 --> 00:22:56,505 - NARRATOR: But the park service has only granted the group 526 00:22:56,549 --> 00:22:59,421 a restricted permit for filming. 527 00:22:59,465 --> 00:23:01,292 They aren't allowed to dig into the ground, 528 00:23:01,336 --> 00:23:04,383 or breach the tower's gated perimeter. 529 00:23:04,426 --> 00:23:06,385 - Why couldn't we have certain regulations 530 00:23:06,428 --> 00:23:09,605 just to go past the gates, film around, 531 00:23:09,649 --> 00:23:11,041 stay on the grass, stay on the path? 532 00:23:11,085 --> 00:23:13,348 We're not even allowed to do that. 533 00:23:13,392 --> 00:23:14,871 So he's taking photos of us? 534 00:23:14,915 --> 00:23:17,265 You're not at all suspicious of these guys, 535 00:23:17,308 --> 00:23:19,920 you think they're just normal maintenance dudes? 536 00:23:19,963 --> 00:23:22,226 - NARRATOR: Tight security or simply maintenance workers 537 00:23:22,270 --> 00:23:24,054 going about their business? 538 00:23:25,012 --> 00:23:28,145 Since Garetano made his documentary in 2015, 539 00:23:28,189 --> 00:23:31,148 he's cataloged a variety of strange occurrences, 540 00:23:31,192 --> 00:23:32,846 and met a number of characters 541 00:23:32,889 --> 00:23:36,240 who have led him deeper into this incredible story. 542 00:23:36,284 --> 00:23:37,590 - A lot of people have been coming forward 543 00:23:37,633 --> 00:23:39,243 in the past two years, 544 00:23:39,287 --> 00:23:41,463 claiming they were part of the Montauk Project. 545 00:23:42,943 --> 00:23:44,553 - NARRATOR: Many of those speaking out claim to be 546 00:23:44,597 --> 00:23:47,382 subjects of the most obscene part of the legend, 547 00:23:47,426 --> 00:23:49,645 that thousands of at-risk children 548 00:23:49,689 --> 00:23:52,605 were pulled off the streets of neighboring cities, 549 00:23:52,648 --> 00:23:56,783 taken below ground at Camp Hero, beaten and abused, 550 00:23:56,826 --> 00:23:59,742 and then programmed into super soldiers. 551 00:23:59,786 --> 00:24:01,352 That the government, 552 00:24:01,396 --> 00:24:03,311 through abduction and then mind control, 553 00:24:03,354 --> 00:24:06,880 created an army of super secret sleeper cells, 554 00:24:06,923 --> 00:24:09,491 to be called into action on command. 555 00:24:09,535 --> 00:24:14,017 This group is now collectively called the Montauk Boys. 556 00:24:14,931 --> 00:24:16,455 - There's a gentleman, his name is James Bruce. 557 00:24:16,498 --> 00:24:18,587 It's an alias, you'll soon meet him. 558 00:24:20,197 --> 00:24:22,548 - NARRATOR: James Bruce, a subject in Garetano's film 559 00:24:22,591 --> 00:24:24,245 on the alleged conspiracy, 560 00:24:24,288 --> 00:24:26,552 and a self-proclaimed Montauk Boy, 561 00:24:26,595 --> 00:24:28,162 one of the super soldiers. 562 00:24:28,205 --> 00:24:30,730 - He said that house back there, he was brought into 563 00:24:30,773 --> 00:24:32,949 and given a large amount of hallucinogens, 564 00:24:32,993 --> 00:24:34,995 and he even suggested that Timothy Leary 565 00:24:35,038 --> 00:24:37,345 was here at one point. 566 00:24:38,477 --> 00:24:39,347 - Timothy Leary? 567 00:24:39,390 --> 00:24:40,914 - Yeah. 568 00:24:40,957 --> 00:24:44,004 Timothy Leary was designing and administering LSD 569 00:24:44,047 --> 00:24:48,138 in that house over there, which he dubbed the acid house. 570 00:24:49,705 --> 00:24:51,228 - NARRATOR: Could the noted psychologist, 571 00:24:51,272 --> 00:24:53,883 writer and psychedelic advocate Timothy Leary, 572 00:24:53,927 --> 00:24:56,407 have been in Montauk during the Project? 573 00:24:56,451 --> 00:25:00,194 If so, it's the first time Volk is hearing about it. 574 00:25:00,237 --> 00:25:01,848 - Does that make any sense to you? 575 00:25:01,891 --> 00:25:04,372 - Does it make sense that Leary was part of this? 576 00:25:04,415 --> 00:25:06,113 Why not? 577 00:25:06,156 --> 00:25:08,898 I mean, he was a big advocate for LSD, 578 00:25:08,942 --> 00:25:10,770 he knew a lot about it, why not? 579 00:25:10,813 --> 00:25:12,336 - I don't know he was into forcibly 580 00:25:12,380 --> 00:25:14,556 administering it to children, however. 581 00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:17,254 - Again, if you know about all of these other programs, 582 00:25:17,298 --> 00:25:19,039 this stuff isn't far-fetched. 583 00:25:19,082 --> 00:25:21,476 I'm referring to MKUltra. 584 00:25:22,912 --> 00:25:27,090 - I would treat MKUltra as one example of how far 585 00:25:27,134 --> 00:25:29,353 the U.S. government is willing to go in secret, 586 00:25:29,397 --> 00:25:32,008 and how far it's able to go in secret, 587 00:25:32,052 --> 00:25:34,620 in the name of national security. 588 00:25:34,663 --> 00:25:37,274 - NARRATOR: Revealed to the public in the mid-1970s 589 00:25:37,318 --> 00:25:40,408 by a congressional committee called the Church Commission, 590 00:25:40,451 --> 00:25:44,281 MKUltra is a CIA program that runs for 20 years, 591 00:25:44,325 --> 00:25:46,632 starting in 1953. 592 00:25:46,675 --> 00:25:48,242 Its purpose? 593 00:25:48,285 --> 00:25:51,071 The CIA conducts experiments on human subjects, 594 00:25:51,114 --> 00:25:54,074 intended to test and develop drugs to be used 595 00:25:54,117 --> 00:25:56,250 in interrogations and torture, 596 00:25:56,293 --> 00:25:58,252 in order to weaken individuals, 597 00:25:58,295 --> 00:26:01,777 to force confessions using mind control. 598 00:26:01,821 --> 00:26:05,912 - MKUltra consisted of more than 130 research programs 599 00:26:05,955 --> 00:26:08,305 which took place in prisons, hospitals, 600 00:26:08,349 --> 00:26:10,873 and universities all over the United States. 601 00:26:10,917 --> 00:26:13,920 - Now Alfred Bielek and Preston Nichols both claim 602 00:26:13,963 --> 00:26:18,402 that there's a direct connection between MKUltra and Montauk. 603 00:26:19,490 --> 00:26:20,666 There's even a connection, they say, 604 00:26:20,709 --> 00:26:22,319 between the Paperclip Scientists, 605 00:26:22,363 --> 00:26:24,626 even far back as the Third Reich. 606 00:26:24,670 --> 00:26:26,976 - NARRATOR: Also known as Operation Paperclip, 607 00:26:27,020 --> 00:26:29,762 this program is officially sanctioned by America 608 00:26:29,805 --> 00:26:34,810 after World War II, and includes more than 1,600 Germans. 609 00:26:34,854 --> 00:26:38,248 - Project Paperclip, a secret U.S. government program 610 00:26:38,292 --> 00:26:42,688 to recruit Nazi scientists and other Nazi party members, 611 00:26:42,731 --> 00:26:45,865 many of whom were engaged in the worst atrocities, 612 00:26:45,908 --> 00:26:48,563 to bring them to the United States, 613 00:26:48,607 --> 00:26:50,609 to whitewash their war crimes, give them new identities, 614 00:26:50,652 --> 00:26:52,306 then exploit them for their scientific 615 00:26:52,349 --> 00:26:54,003 and intelligence value. 616 00:26:54,047 --> 00:26:57,354 - NARRATOR: Paperclip, MKUltra, Tuskegee, 617 00:26:57,398 --> 00:26:58,878 once the unthinkable, 618 00:26:58,921 --> 00:27:01,924 now proven facts in the historical record. 619 00:27:01,968 --> 00:27:04,840 And some say, a clear pattern showing possible 620 00:27:04,884 --> 00:27:07,756 direct links back to Montauk. 621 00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:09,671 - Even though we've been able to prove 622 00:27:09,715 --> 00:27:12,674 all of these other projects, we've not been able to prove 623 00:27:12,718 --> 00:27:14,850 that it's happened at Montauk. 624 00:27:14,894 --> 00:27:16,722 - You'd have to say like okay, okay, 625 00:27:16,765 --> 00:27:18,680 the government did all these mind control experiments, 626 00:27:18,724 --> 00:27:19,986 but they would never do them in Montauk, New Work. 627 00:27:20,029 --> 00:27:21,509 That would be crazy. 628 00:27:21,552 --> 00:27:23,163 - NARRATOR: Still, for the journalist Volk, 629 00:27:23,206 --> 00:27:25,687 hard proof connecting Leary to Montauk, 630 00:27:25,731 --> 00:27:28,734 and tying Montauk to past government programs, 631 00:27:28,777 --> 00:27:31,388 will require corroborating evidence, 632 00:27:31,432 --> 00:27:34,043 not just a knowledge of American history. 633 00:27:35,784 --> 00:27:37,307 - [on phone] Public Information Office, this is Maureen, 634 00:27:37,351 --> 00:27:38,482 Can I help you? 635 00:27:38,526 --> 00:27:40,093 - Hey, this is Steve Volk and I'm a writer 636 00:27:40,136 --> 00:27:41,485 working on a project I was hoping 637 00:27:41,529 --> 00:27:43,749 you might be able to help me with. 638 00:27:45,272 --> 00:27:46,795 - NARRATOR: To authenticate claims of time travel, 639 00:27:46,839 --> 00:27:49,711 child abduction, mind control, acid testing, 640 00:27:49,755 --> 00:27:51,931 and the rest of the Montauk Project's legend, 641 00:27:51,974 --> 00:27:54,585 the men cast a wide research net. 642 00:27:54,629 --> 00:27:56,849 - CHRIS: So Mike, what year did you start working there? 643 00:27:56,892 --> 00:28:01,505 - I arrived at Montauk Air Force Station in February of 1978 644 00:28:01,549 --> 00:28:04,160 and I completed my tour there in June of 1980. 645 00:28:04,204 --> 00:28:05,727 - I'm wondering if I could just sort of get 646 00:28:05,771 --> 00:28:10,384 a raw total number of kids reported missing, by year, 647 00:28:10,427 --> 00:28:14,257 dating back to from 19, this is a big request, I know. 648 00:28:14,301 --> 00:28:16,782 From 1960 to about 1990. 649 00:28:18,392 --> 00:28:20,133 - My name is James Bruce. 650 00:28:20,176 --> 00:28:21,743 It's an alias, obviously. 651 00:28:21,787 --> 00:28:24,746 Not that the powers that be don't know who I am. 652 00:28:24,790 --> 00:28:27,357 - I was 13, I think I was, when we moved here. 653 00:28:27,401 --> 00:28:29,185 - You had a parent in the Air Force? 654 00:28:29,229 --> 00:28:31,405 - Yeah, I had a step-dad that was in the Air Force. 655 00:28:31,448 --> 00:28:32,885 - STEVE: There are people now who say, look, 656 00:28:32,928 --> 00:28:35,452 this base has always had this sort of secret 657 00:28:35,496 --> 00:28:38,151 clandestine history, 'cause it was made to look like 658 00:28:38,194 --> 00:28:41,241 a fishing village, and the implication is that even, 659 00:28:41,284 --> 00:28:42,590 even the people who lived here 660 00:28:42,633 --> 00:28:45,114 didn't know it was really a military site. 661 00:28:45,158 --> 00:28:46,768 You're saying that's just not true. 662 00:28:46,812 --> 00:28:50,293 - Well, we know there were 16-inch cannons in the bluffs. 663 00:28:50,337 --> 00:28:56,212 So, unless you're gonna kill the fish with a 16-inch shell. 664 00:28:57,387 --> 00:28:58,780 - Was it like a high security there? 665 00:28:58,824 --> 00:29:00,695 What was it like the day you arrived? 666 00:29:00,739 --> 00:29:02,262 - It was real dark. 667 00:29:02,305 --> 00:29:04,046 There was no security at the gate. 668 00:29:04,090 --> 00:29:05,787 Anybody could've drove on. 669 00:29:05,831 --> 00:29:08,181 - So there was no security, he drove right up onto the base 670 00:29:08,224 --> 00:29:10,096 where supposedly this top secret [bleep] is happening. 671 00:29:10,139 --> 00:29:12,838 - I will say the first time that I drove up to Camp Perry, 672 00:29:12,881 --> 00:29:15,144 the farm in Williamsburg, Virginia, 673 00:29:15,188 --> 00:29:17,233 for CIA paramilitary training, 674 00:29:17,277 --> 00:29:19,888 your first impression is guard post, armed guards. 675 00:29:19,932 --> 00:29:20,933 - It was incredibly secure, right? 676 00:29:20,976 --> 00:29:21,934 - Yeah. 677 00:29:21,977 --> 00:29:23,152 - I did hear rumors of it. 678 00:29:23,196 --> 00:29:24,284 - Even when you were living here? 679 00:29:24,327 --> 00:29:25,459 - When I was living here, yeah. 680 00:29:25,502 --> 00:29:26,808 You heard rumors of it, 681 00:29:26,852 --> 00:29:29,942 but you never really saw anything happening. 682 00:29:29,985 --> 00:29:31,770 - Back between '78 and '80, you heard rumors 683 00:29:31,813 --> 00:29:33,293 that there were time travel experiments going on? 684 00:29:33,336 --> 00:29:34,947 - Yes, I did hear about that, yeah. 685 00:29:34,990 --> 00:29:36,600 - That was long before any books were written. 686 00:29:36,644 --> 00:29:38,515 - DARIN: Yeah. 687 00:29:38,559 --> 00:29:40,953 - STEVE: You know, the darkest part of this whole story 688 00:29:40,996 --> 00:29:42,389 that people tell is that it involved 689 00:29:42,432 --> 00:29:45,305 kidnapping kids around the area. 690 00:29:45,348 --> 00:29:47,437 - I mean, if it was happening, I didn't know about. 691 00:29:47,481 --> 00:29:49,135 I did never heard about it. 692 00:29:49,178 --> 00:29:51,833 - It was also experiments to mind squash because they had 693 00:29:51,877 --> 00:29:53,269 specific types of acid to where 694 00:29:53,313 --> 00:29:54,836 you could read each other's thoughts. 695 00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:56,707 And then you would say it back to you and you would say, 696 00:29:56,751 --> 00:29:58,231 holy [bleeps], how did you know that? 697 00:29:58,274 --> 00:30:00,494 'Cause you could actually be on the same wavelength. 698 00:30:00,537 --> 00:30:02,365 - What do you think they were using you for? 699 00:30:02,409 --> 00:30:04,150 What was the purpose of this experiment? 700 00:30:04,193 --> 00:30:06,717 - They wanted me to calm down to teleport in this chair, 701 00:30:06,761 --> 00:30:08,458 'cause it's a teleportation device. 702 00:30:08,502 --> 00:30:10,460 It pulls, rips your soul right out of your body, 703 00:30:10,504 --> 00:30:12,506 sends it through the wire and then you could fly 704 00:30:12,549 --> 00:30:15,378 through space as your body's laying in the chair. 705 00:30:15,422 --> 00:30:16,989 - Good to see you, man. 706 00:30:17,032 --> 00:30:18,817 - NARRATOR: The men conduct 25 plus interviews 707 00:30:18,860 --> 00:30:20,775 with people connected to Montauk, 708 00:30:20,819 --> 00:30:25,214 and receive a range of denials, innuendo, and speculation. 709 00:30:25,258 --> 00:30:28,478 But it isn't until they meet a local, named Brian Minnick, 710 00:30:28,522 --> 00:30:31,742 that they may have finally found what they've been searching for. 711 00:30:32,961 --> 00:30:34,920 - Me and my friends we'd explore, that's all we did. 712 00:30:34,963 --> 00:30:36,878 Collecting anything I could find. 713 00:30:36,922 --> 00:30:38,532 - Did you bring some stuff for us to look at? 714 00:30:40,926 --> 00:30:42,710 - BRIAN: This is actually an entrance to the basement. 715 00:30:42,753 --> 00:30:45,017 You'd walk along this trench down steps, 716 00:30:45,060 --> 00:30:46,453 and there's a door over there that you'd go 717 00:30:46,496 --> 00:30:47,628 into the basement with. 718 00:30:54,940 --> 00:30:58,247 - I was honestly blown away by that footage. 719 00:30:58,291 --> 00:31:00,119 Every single thing that Brian brought to us, 720 00:31:00,162 --> 00:31:02,948 challenges the public statement. 721 00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:07,953 - Now here is something that really did surprise me. 722 00:31:19,268 --> 00:31:20,704 - NARRATOR: Hamptons local, Brian Minnick 723 00:31:20,748 --> 00:31:22,837 has spent 30 years traversing the grounds 724 00:31:22,881 --> 00:31:25,405 at Camp Hero in New York. 725 00:31:25,448 --> 00:31:27,886 Filming his trips and collecting photos 726 00:31:27,929 --> 00:31:30,062 and other documentation related to this 727 00:31:30,105 --> 00:31:32,978 mysterious former military base. 728 00:31:33,021 --> 00:31:34,718 A base that some people assert, 729 00:31:34,762 --> 00:31:37,591 served as a cover for a clandestine government program 730 00:31:37,634 --> 00:31:41,421 of mind control and time travel experimentation. 731 00:31:41,464 --> 00:31:44,424 - I went there when I was probably like, 732 00:31:44,467 --> 00:31:47,949 11 years old in 1987 with some family friends 733 00:31:47,993 --> 00:31:49,603 and we made our way into one of the bunkers. 734 00:31:51,431 --> 00:31:53,128 I didn't start exploring it until I found out 735 00:31:53,172 --> 00:31:54,956 about the book. 736 00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:58,307 Then, at that point we were just trying to get underground. 737 00:31:59,526 --> 00:32:01,528 - What was the most compelling piece of evidence 738 00:32:01,571 --> 00:32:04,357 or the most compelling that you've experienced 739 00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:07,229 in all the years of you observing Camp Hero. 740 00:32:07,273 --> 00:32:09,014 - There was a lot of strange things 741 00:32:09,057 --> 00:32:12,539 and the sum total of all those strange things is compelling. 742 00:32:17,457 --> 00:32:19,720 But I'd say, we've found records of 743 00:32:19,763 --> 00:32:22,984 food being ordered to the base in like the late 80s 744 00:32:23,028 --> 00:32:26,640 and some of this, it was like 80,000 a month on this one 745 00:32:26,683 --> 00:32:28,076 and there was huge amounts of food 746 00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:30,078 being ordered to the base. 747 00:32:30,122 --> 00:32:32,298 - NARRATOR: The base closed down in 1981 748 00:32:32,341 --> 00:32:35,649 and was turned over to the park service in '84. 749 00:32:35,692 --> 00:32:38,695 Minnick found receipts for the food in the late 80s. 750 00:32:38,739 --> 00:32:42,003 - So, 80,000 bucks in a month. 751 00:32:42,047 --> 00:32:45,137 - Yeah, that seems like it, enough to feed like a town. 752 00:32:45,180 --> 00:32:46,921 - Cater a couple of weddings. 753 00:32:46,965 --> 00:32:48,096 - Do you have those records? 754 00:32:48,140 --> 00:32:52,100 - No, we actually took them out and then, 755 00:32:52,144 --> 00:32:55,103 we got chased and kind of threw them up in the air. 756 00:32:55,147 --> 00:32:57,801 But I really regret that, throwing them, I really do. 757 00:32:57,845 --> 00:32:59,020 - I regret it too. 758 00:33:04,547 --> 00:33:07,637 - NARRATOR: Captured from 1993 through 1995, 759 00:33:07,681 --> 00:33:10,118 a decade after the base had been shut down. 760 00:33:10,162 --> 00:33:12,991 Brian's rare footage shows Camp Hero 761 00:33:13,034 --> 00:33:14,775 before its buildings and openings were 762 00:33:14,818 --> 00:33:17,647 sealed shut by the park service. 763 00:33:17,691 --> 00:33:20,694 - The idea of you exploring with your friends, 764 00:33:20,737 --> 00:33:23,479 a lot of these things that aren't there anymore, 765 00:33:23,523 --> 00:33:25,873 the footage is really unique, it's great stuff. 766 00:33:25,916 --> 00:33:27,309 - Yeah, thank you, appreciate it. 767 00:33:27,353 --> 00:33:28,876 I mean, I've been sitting on this stuff forever, 768 00:33:28,919 --> 00:33:29,964 so I'm glad to share it. 769 00:33:30,008 --> 00:33:30,965 - Yeah, do you have more? 770 00:33:31,009 --> 00:33:32,140 - Yeah. 771 00:33:33,794 --> 00:33:36,623 Alright, here is the colored room. 772 00:33:36,666 --> 00:33:38,712 Here, I'll lay these out. 773 00:33:40,366 --> 00:33:42,890 And I got the black and white room right here. 774 00:33:44,979 --> 00:33:46,241 - Okay, interesting. 775 00:33:46,285 --> 00:33:47,851 So out of nowhere, after all these years 776 00:33:47,895 --> 00:33:49,766 of hearing about acid rooms, 777 00:33:49,810 --> 00:33:52,900 Brian just breaks out the pictures and the footage. 778 00:33:54,423 --> 00:33:56,121 - The LSD rooms, if you look at them, 779 00:33:56,164 --> 00:33:57,644 I have good pictures of them. 780 00:33:58,819 --> 00:34:00,081 - Okay, interesting. 781 00:34:00,125 --> 00:34:01,778 This is kinda curious. 782 00:34:01,822 --> 00:34:04,564 For what reason -- why would a room be painted this way?. 783 00:34:04,607 --> 00:34:07,045 - Check out like the ceiling, not a spot of paint, 784 00:34:07,088 --> 00:34:09,525 not a spot on the floor. 785 00:34:09,569 --> 00:34:11,266 - And then the paisley wallpaper 786 00:34:11,310 --> 00:34:13,833 and another which has an odd pattern. 787 00:34:13,877 --> 00:34:16,054 - This is a great moment in the whole investigation 788 00:34:16,097 --> 00:34:18,795 because here was something that really did surprise me. 789 00:34:18,839 --> 00:34:20,623 - But if you look at the light sockets, they're all, 790 00:34:20,667 --> 00:34:23,148 they're not painted over, the trim is not painted over, 791 00:34:23,190 --> 00:34:26,063 it's all taped off and it's a professional job. 792 00:34:26,107 --> 00:34:29,110 - I don't know why the government would do this 793 00:34:29,154 --> 00:34:30,719 to any living quarters. 794 00:34:30,764 --> 00:34:33,027 It wasn't kids who did this, it's not vandalism 795 00:34:33,071 --> 00:34:35,681 It was too well done. 796 00:34:36,813 --> 00:34:39,120 - Those pictures raise up the ghost of what 797 00:34:39,164 --> 00:34:41,208 James Bruce talked about. 798 00:34:42,601 --> 00:34:44,647 The acid houses, Timothy Leary, 799 00:34:44,690 --> 00:34:47,128 the Montauk Boys, all of that. 800 00:34:47,172 --> 00:34:49,522 - There's also experiments to mind squash because they had 801 00:34:49,565 --> 00:34:51,350 specific types of acid where you could 802 00:34:51,393 --> 00:34:53,438 read each other's thoughts and then he would say it 803 00:34:53,482 --> 00:34:54,701 back to you and you would say, 804 00:34:54,744 --> 00:34:56,181 "Holy [bleep], how did you know that?" 805 00:34:56,224 --> 00:34:57,660 because you could actually be on the same wavelength. 806 00:34:58,792 --> 00:35:01,099 - So, you have to ask, what was it for? 807 00:35:01,142 --> 00:35:02,448 Why did it happen? 808 00:35:02,491 --> 00:35:05,103 And I think the best speculation I've heard, 809 00:35:05,146 --> 00:35:07,888 is that, yeah, they were giving people acid. 810 00:35:07,931 --> 00:35:10,020 I know the U.S. government has carried out 811 00:35:10,064 --> 00:35:12,197 all sorts of unwitting human experimentations 812 00:35:12,240 --> 00:35:14,373 involving LSD and other hallucinogens, 813 00:35:14,416 --> 00:35:16,157 so I don't find it all that farfetched 814 00:35:16,201 --> 00:35:19,856 to suggest that the experiments we know have happened elsewhere, 815 00:35:19,900 --> 00:35:22,468 also happened at Camp Hero. 816 00:35:24,861 --> 00:35:28,256 - As a journalist, those pictures give me an avenue 817 00:35:28,300 --> 00:35:31,172 to approach the people who knew Leary, 818 00:35:31,216 --> 00:35:33,087 people who worked with him, what would 819 00:35:33,131 --> 00:35:37,004 psychedelics researchers say about those images. 820 00:35:37,047 --> 00:35:39,963 Are they psychedelic? 821 00:35:40,007 --> 00:35:42,923 Is there any record of any experiments being performed 822 00:35:42,966 --> 00:35:45,578 with patterns like these involved in the research 823 00:35:45,621 --> 00:35:49,669 decades ago, it gives me something to go look at. 824 00:35:49,712 --> 00:35:52,019 - NARRATOR: Fueled by the acid room findings, 825 00:35:52,062 --> 00:35:55,457 Minnick increases his frequency to Camp Hero. 826 00:35:58,678 --> 00:36:01,246 And State Parks Servicemen begin to take notice. 827 00:36:06,338 --> 00:36:09,167 [intense music] 828 00:36:16,304 --> 00:36:18,480 - When you were chased, do you have any idea 829 00:36:18,524 --> 00:36:21,048 who that was, who was coming? 830 00:36:21,091 --> 00:36:26,009 - They seemed to be SUVs, white or black SUVs. 831 00:36:26,053 --> 00:36:32,015 [intense music] 832 00:36:32,059 --> 00:36:33,321 There's aerial surveillance there too, 833 00:36:33,365 --> 00:36:36,150 like there's a helicopter and actually, 834 00:36:36,194 --> 00:36:37,978 we got so used to it popping out of nowhere 835 00:36:38,021 --> 00:36:40,415 and kind of hovering over us. 836 00:36:40,459 --> 00:36:41,851 - How many times did the helicopter 837 00:36:41,895 --> 00:36:43,157 show up when you were there? 838 00:36:43,201 --> 00:36:45,420 - Like five, six times at least. 839 00:36:45,464 --> 00:36:47,379 - The helicopter have any markings? 840 00:36:47,422 --> 00:36:50,164 - All black, we have a strange video of the helicopter 841 00:36:50,208 --> 00:36:52,471 on the point, like harassing boats, 842 00:36:52,514 --> 00:36:54,081 I guess is the best way to put it, 843 00:36:54,124 --> 00:36:55,648 almost landing on top of the boat. 844 00:36:56,431 --> 00:36:57,432 - There is another one! 845 00:36:58,825 --> 00:37:00,653 The same, exact thing. 846 00:37:00,696 --> 00:37:03,525 - NARRATOR: Footage of base security chasing the teenagers 847 00:37:03,569 --> 00:37:06,572 a decade after the base was officially shuttered, 848 00:37:06,615 --> 00:37:08,487 begs the obvious question. 849 00:37:08,530 --> 00:37:10,619 When taken together, does this footage 850 00:37:10,663 --> 00:37:12,099 prove that the government's official 851 00:37:12,142 --> 00:37:14,841 position maybe disingenuous? 852 00:37:14,884 --> 00:37:16,538 What reason would it have to admit 853 00:37:16,582 --> 00:37:19,237 this underground tunnel system from its blueprints? 854 00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:21,021 Unless it was hiding something 855 00:37:21,064 --> 00:37:23,893 they didn't want anyone to know about. 856 00:37:23,937 --> 00:37:26,635 - Did you ever get into the proverbial tunnels? 857 00:37:26,679 --> 00:37:28,985 Because I keep talking to people over the years 858 00:37:29,029 --> 00:37:30,770 and they say they were down there. 859 00:37:30,813 --> 00:37:33,207 - I've been in several like, underground... 860 00:37:33,251 --> 00:37:35,078 Well, there's a basement, there is you know, 861 00:37:35,122 --> 00:37:36,906 bunkers that are inside of a hill. 862 00:37:45,393 --> 00:37:48,483 - Did you ever find anything that would indicate 863 00:37:48,527 --> 00:37:50,398 and anything that may have been sealed up 864 00:37:50,442 --> 00:37:52,922 that you just couldn't get through or open, 865 00:37:52,966 --> 00:37:55,185 that may indicate that there was something else, 866 00:37:55,229 --> 00:37:57,057 like another level beneath that. 867 00:37:57,100 --> 00:37:58,319 Did you ever find anything like that? 868 00:37:58,363 --> 00:37:59,886 - Yeah, absolutely. 869 00:37:59,929 --> 00:38:01,757 You can feel it, it's like if you touch the walls, 870 00:38:01,801 --> 00:38:04,630 there's like there's machinery running somewhere. 871 00:38:04,673 --> 00:38:06,936 This is us going into the SAGE radar, 872 00:38:06,980 --> 00:38:10,549 so last time we came, this door was completely open. 873 00:38:10,592 --> 00:38:12,420 - [on tape] We never had that last time. 874 00:38:12,464 --> 00:38:14,857 - Now, this is only like a month later 875 00:38:14,901 --> 00:38:17,077 and oh, this is important here, 876 00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:18,992 this is actually an entrance to the basement. 877 00:38:19,035 --> 00:38:21,037 You'd walk along this trench down the steps 878 00:38:21,081 --> 00:38:22,212 and there's a door over there that 879 00:38:22,256 --> 00:38:24,127 you would go into the basement with. 880 00:38:24,171 --> 00:38:29,132 [suspenseful music] 881 00:38:29,176 --> 00:38:38,316 ♪ 882 00:38:39,882 --> 00:38:42,363 - So, now this is really interesting because again, 883 00:38:42,407 --> 00:38:45,758 the official word is, there's nothing underground. 884 00:38:45,801 --> 00:38:47,455 Brian shows us this footage and 885 00:38:47,499 --> 00:38:49,762 there's clearly something underground. 886 00:38:52,547 --> 00:38:55,463 - So at the very end of one, there is a heavy door 887 00:38:55,507 --> 00:38:58,379 that's been, I guess it's padlocked at the time 888 00:38:58,423 --> 00:39:01,077 but it also looks like it has a, 889 00:39:01,121 --> 00:39:02,862 like, a wheel to open the door. 890 00:39:02,905 --> 00:39:03,906 - Like a bank vault? 891 00:39:03,950 --> 00:39:05,125 - Yeah, like a bank vault almost. 892 00:39:05,168 --> 00:39:07,475 So, that was supposedly supposed to go 893 00:39:07,519 --> 00:39:10,609 underneath to the basement of that tunnel. 894 00:39:14,830 --> 00:39:17,572 - It is definitely gonna throw fuel on the fire 895 00:39:17,616 --> 00:39:19,835 of people who claim all sorts of 896 00:39:19,879 --> 00:39:21,446 crazy stuff went on down there. 897 00:39:22,664 --> 00:39:24,753 - What I got from Brian's footage is 898 00:39:24,797 --> 00:39:29,149 a suggestion of a vast underground tunnel system. 899 00:39:29,192 --> 00:39:31,804 What we didn't get to see was, 900 00:39:31,847 --> 00:39:34,502 a full mapping of what might be down there. 901 00:39:34,546 --> 00:39:36,112 But certainly from his footage, 902 00:39:36,156 --> 00:39:39,681 from what I saw, I expect that there is something 903 00:39:39,725 --> 00:39:41,422 much more extensive than what Brian 904 00:39:41,466 --> 00:39:44,817 and his friends were able to directly access. 905 00:39:44,860 --> 00:39:46,732 - NARRATOR: Either way, 906 00:39:46,775 --> 00:39:48,690 it's clear there's more below Camp Hero than the government 907 00:39:48,734 --> 00:39:50,649 would have us believe. 908 00:39:50,692 --> 00:39:53,434 So what truly is behind these locked doors? 909 00:39:53,478 --> 00:39:55,958 Could it be a tunnel system that housed a government 910 00:39:56,002 --> 00:39:58,091 mind control program? 911 00:39:58,134 --> 00:40:01,486 A deep, dark program that also somehow 912 00:40:01,529 --> 00:40:03,966 unlocks the riddle of time travel. 913 00:40:09,537 --> 00:40:11,583 an, how could you not at least consider that something 914 00:40:11,626 --> 00:40:13,411 happened there with everything from 915 00:40:13,454 --> 00:40:15,021 the helicopters chasing the kids 916 00:40:15,064 --> 00:40:16,979 to the acid house to clearly there's 917 00:40:17,023 --> 00:40:18,503 something being underground. 918 00:40:22,028 --> 00:40:23,377 Okay, interesting. 919 00:40:23,421 --> 00:40:25,510 - NARRATOR: Garetano, Eisler and Volk 920 00:40:25,553 --> 00:40:28,338 are looking into claims surrounding Camp Hero, 921 00:40:28,382 --> 00:40:30,776 a former military installation 922 00:40:30,819 --> 00:40:34,040 that some say housed a clandestine government operation 923 00:40:34,083 --> 00:40:37,391 of acid testing, mind control, child abduction 924 00:40:37,435 --> 00:40:38,871 and time travel. 925 00:40:39,872 --> 00:40:41,830 The local's home video footage seems to be the 926 00:40:41,874 --> 00:40:44,267 first big break in the investigation. 927 00:40:44,311 --> 00:40:46,095 - This is important here, this is actually 928 00:40:46,139 --> 00:40:48,271 an entrance to the basement. 929 00:40:48,315 --> 00:40:50,186 - NARRATOR: As it appears to reveal an underground 930 00:40:50,230 --> 00:40:52,972 tunnel system that flies in the face of the government 931 00:40:53,015 --> 00:40:56,628 blueprints which shows nothing is below ground. 932 00:40:57,977 --> 00:40:59,674 [epic music] 933 00:40:59,718 --> 00:41:01,850 But how extensive is this underground 934 00:41:01,894 --> 00:41:04,026 and what else may be down there? 935 00:41:04,070 --> 00:41:05,767 There's only one way to find out, 936 00:41:05,811 --> 00:41:08,117 they need to look below the ground. 937 00:41:08,161 --> 00:41:10,729 To do so, the men have called in a team of 938 00:41:10,772 --> 00:41:13,688 geophysicists to peer below ground 939 00:41:13,732 --> 00:41:16,386 and help search for evidence of this covert program 940 00:41:16,430 --> 00:41:19,085 called the Montauk Project. 941 00:41:19,128 --> 00:41:20,956 - You might have heard about the legends 942 00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:23,872 of what happened here, structures being buried 943 00:41:23,916 --> 00:41:25,613 under the ground here. 944 00:41:28,137 --> 00:41:30,575 - You walk under the entrance of this thing in the, 945 00:41:30,618 --> 00:41:34,230 opening in the wall when it's operating. 946 00:41:34,274 --> 00:41:37,799 And you get sucked in, you come out the other end, 947 00:41:37,843 --> 00:41:39,975 get dumped on the ground sort of. 948 00:41:40,019 --> 00:41:41,760 And uh... 949 00:41:43,936 --> 00:41:46,286 125,000 light years and you're on another 950 00:41:46,329 --> 00:41:49,507 planetary system on the opposite side of the galaxy. 951 00:41:52,031 --> 00:41:53,380 - So we figure something's under the ground, 952 00:41:53,423 --> 00:41:54,642 we don't know what. 953 00:41:54,686 --> 00:41:56,122 - Well we brought several different pieces 954 00:41:56,165 --> 00:41:57,776 of geophysical equipment. 955 00:41:57,819 --> 00:41:59,821 First was the ground penetrating radar. 956 00:41:59,865 --> 00:42:01,257 That's gonna be able to go through 957 00:42:01,301 --> 00:42:02,737 and provide to us the highest 958 00:42:02,781 --> 00:42:04,826 resolution conditions underground. 959 00:42:04,870 --> 00:42:06,567 The other tools that we're bringing, 960 00:42:06,611 --> 00:42:08,787 one is a magnetometer and what that's gonna be 961 00:42:08,830 --> 00:42:13,400 looking for is any kind of buried, iron bearing object. 962 00:42:13,443 --> 00:42:17,578 Then the next method is gonna be electrical resistivity imaging. 963 00:42:17,622 --> 00:42:20,233 That is a way that we can provide literally 964 00:42:20,276 --> 00:42:22,714 like a slice, a vertical cross section. 965 00:42:22,757 --> 00:42:24,280 We're gonna be looking for changes 966 00:42:24,324 --> 00:42:27,327 in the electrical properties of the soils or rock. 967 00:42:27,370 --> 00:42:29,764 - Alright, let's do what you do. 968 00:42:32,375 --> 00:42:33,986 - NARRATOR: Two distinct areas will be put under 969 00:42:34,029 --> 00:42:36,249 a geophysical microscope. 970 00:42:36,292 --> 00:42:38,338 The first, underneath this bluff 971 00:42:38,381 --> 00:42:42,037 to look for some kind of anomaly below ground. 972 00:42:42,081 --> 00:42:45,127 The second, less than a mile inland 973 00:42:45,171 --> 00:42:48,000 to search for proof of an underground tunnel system 974 00:42:48,043 --> 00:42:51,264 not listed in the public records. 975 00:42:53,179 --> 00:42:55,311 - I am very much looking forward to interacting 976 00:42:55,355 --> 00:42:58,271 with the geo guys because they're not invested 977 00:42:58,314 --> 00:43:01,361 one way or another in anything having to do with Montauk 978 00:43:01,404 --> 00:43:03,885 or even in conspiracies generally as far as I can tell. 979 00:43:03,929 --> 00:43:05,539 - CHRIS: We use 250 megahertz in that one? 980 00:43:05,583 --> 00:43:07,759 - MIKE: Yeah, let's go with the low frequency in that one. 981 00:43:07,802 --> 00:43:09,412 - They do science, they have instruments 982 00:43:09,456 --> 00:43:12,459 that can measure things scientifically, reliably, 983 00:43:12,502 --> 00:43:14,287 and determine whether something is underground 984 00:43:14,330 --> 00:43:16,898 and with a fairly high degree of reliability 985 00:43:16,942 --> 00:43:18,378 what that thing is. 986 00:43:20,815 --> 00:43:22,643 - He using the low frequency system 987 00:43:22,687 --> 00:43:24,253 where we're trying to get that maximum depth 988 00:43:24,297 --> 00:43:27,561 of penetration, I'm using the higher frequency one 989 00:43:27,605 --> 00:43:29,998 and I'm getting probably around six to eight feet. 990 00:43:30,042 --> 00:43:33,088 So in terms of radar, this sight is really- 991 00:43:33,132 --> 00:43:34,437 - BARRY: Pretty amendable. - Yeah, pretty amenable. 992 00:43:34,481 --> 00:43:36,744 It's gonna help us out. 993 00:43:36,788 --> 00:43:38,877 [dramatic building music] 994 00:43:41,227 --> 00:43:43,446 - NARRATOR: With testing completed along the bluff, 995 00:43:43,490 --> 00:43:46,014 the team make their way to site number two, 996 00:43:46,058 --> 00:43:48,626 ground zero for the conspiracy. 997 00:43:48,669 --> 00:43:50,845 - Honestly every one that talks about this legend 998 00:43:50,889 --> 00:43:52,760 that knows anything about it, 999 00:43:52,804 --> 00:43:55,502 the underground base is supposed to be underneath 1000 00:43:55,545 --> 00:43:58,331 this entire series of structures of the tower, 1001 00:43:58,374 --> 00:43:59,637 these buildings here. 1002 00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:01,595 So if we can get as close as possible to these 1003 00:44:01,639 --> 00:44:05,207 I think that's where we need to be right now. 1004 00:44:05,251 --> 00:44:06,948 Can we bring that a little closer? 1005 00:44:06,992 --> 00:44:08,776 - NARRATOR: Garetano has obsessed over the claims 1006 00:44:08,820 --> 00:44:11,257 surrounding Montauk for more than a decade 1007 00:44:11,300 --> 00:44:13,389 and knows that the geophysicists 1008 00:44:13,433 --> 00:44:15,740 and their potential underground findings 1009 00:44:15,783 --> 00:44:19,526 are his best shot at proving the Montauk Conspiracy. 1010 00:44:19,569 --> 00:44:22,355 - It's really important for me personally 1011 00:44:22,398 --> 00:44:26,620 that we find something factual about this at this point. 1012 00:44:26,664 --> 00:44:29,971 We've entertained these gentlemen for quite a long time, 1013 00:44:30,015 --> 00:44:32,017 allowed them to tell their stories. 1014 00:44:33,540 --> 00:44:34,759 - NARRATOR: But any possible corroborating evidence 1015 00:44:34,802 --> 00:44:37,196 of a underground will have to wait. 1016 00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:39,851 The scientific results will take time. 1017 00:44:41,766 --> 00:44:44,594 As the men await hard data, they kick into phase two 1018 00:44:44,638 --> 00:44:46,335 of their investigation. 1019 00:44:46,379 --> 00:44:48,033 [epic music] 1020 00:44:48,076 --> 00:44:50,818 They've been granted rare access and a unique opportunity 1021 00:44:50,862 --> 00:44:53,995 to record the testimony of the last living legend 1022 00:44:54,039 --> 00:44:57,564 of the Montauk Project, Preston Nichols. 1023 00:44:57,607 --> 00:45:00,393 And the most prominent Montauk Boy in the country, 1024 00:45:00,436 --> 00:45:06,094 the controversial Steward Swerdlow. 1025 00:45:06,138 --> 00:45:07,617 The Montauk Boys, 1026 00:45:07,661 --> 00:45:09,750 a collection of individuals who alleged 1027 00:45:09,794 --> 00:45:12,710 to have been abducted in the 1970s and 80s, 1028 00:45:12,753 --> 00:45:15,103 taking under the bowels of Camp Hero's 1029 00:45:15,147 --> 00:45:19,194 supposed tunnel system, and undergone the unspeakable. 1030 00:45:19,238 --> 00:45:21,936 One such boy is Stewart Swerdlow, 1031 00:45:21,980 --> 00:45:23,808 the most high profile of them all. 1032 00:45:23,851 --> 00:45:25,505 Swerdlow and his wife, Janet, 1033 00:45:25,548 --> 00:45:28,203 have invited filmmaker, Christopher Garetano, 1034 00:45:28,247 --> 00:45:30,858 former CIA operative, Barry Eisler 1035 00:45:30,902 --> 00:45:33,165 and hard hitting journalist, Steve Volk 1036 00:45:33,208 --> 00:45:36,124 into their Michigan home for an on camera interview. 1037 00:45:36,168 --> 00:45:37,343 [clap] 1038 00:45:37,386 --> 00:45:38,736 - If we could start at the beginning, 1039 00:45:38,779 --> 00:45:40,607 how did you get involved in the Montauk Project. 1040 00:45:40,650 --> 00:45:43,653 - 1970, when the Montauk Project began, 1041 00:45:43,697 --> 00:45:48,658 I was taken into use there for 13 years until 1983. 1042 00:45:48,702 --> 00:45:51,052 - What was the method that you were first taken into 1043 00:45:51,096 --> 00:45:54,490 one of these programs, how did they get you? 1044 00:45:54,534 --> 00:45:58,451 - They used derelicts, they used foster children, 1045 00:45:58,494 --> 00:46:01,280 orphans, the drug addicts and then ultimately, 1046 00:46:01,323 --> 00:46:04,109 they decided that people with certain genetics, 1047 00:46:04,152 --> 00:46:06,111 people with certain backgrounds 1048 00:46:06,154 --> 00:46:10,158 would be more conducive to the more advanced experiments, 1049 00:46:10,202 --> 00:46:12,160 and that's where I was taken in. 1050 00:46:12,204 --> 00:46:15,424 With all of these children, their memories were wiped, 1051 00:46:15,468 --> 00:46:18,732 their genetics were altered and they couldn't 1052 00:46:18,776 --> 00:46:20,429 always remember what happened, 1053 00:46:20,473 --> 00:46:23,606 it would be in a form of nightmares or flashbacks. 1054 00:46:23,650 --> 00:46:26,740 But with me, they could not erase my memory, 1055 00:46:26,784 --> 00:46:29,177 I became an anomaly for them. 1056 00:46:30,265 --> 00:46:31,701 - So, he was already really special because 1057 00:46:31,745 --> 00:46:33,878 he's put in this program and even among the 1058 00:46:33,921 --> 00:46:35,270 special people in the program, 1059 00:46:35,314 --> 00:46:37,969 he was the most special, he was unique. 1060 00:46:38,012 --> 00:46:40,058 - Underneath is where everything happened. 1061 00:46:40,101 --> 00:46:42,974 I know from my experience, that there were 1062 00:46:43,017 --> 00:46:45,411 at least nine levels and maybe there were more, 1063 00:46:45,454 --> 00:46:47,065 I only knew of nine levels. 1064 00:46:48,414 --> 00:46:50,851 I did witness children being beaten, murdered, 1065 00:46:50,895 --> 00:46:53,898 injured in horrible ways. 1066 00:46:53,941 --> 00:46:57,640 Unfortunately, I was also the subject of some of these 1067 00:46:57,684 --> 00:47:00,861 horrible things that were administered to the people. 1068 00:47:00,905 --> 00:47:02,167 - So what was the application? 1069 00:47:02,210 --> 00:47:04,038 Why were they doing this to these kids, 1070 00:47:04,082 --> 00:47:05,605 like for what reason? 1071 00:47:05,648 --> 00:47:08,651 - It was a continuation of the experiments 1072 00:47:08,695 --> 00:47:12,003 done by the Nazis in the concentration camps. 1073 00:47:12,046 --> 00:47:14,875 - NARRATOR: Swerdlow is drawing a known tangible 1074 00:47:14,919 --> 00:47:18,661 forensic evidence and first hand survival accounts. 1075 00:47:18,705 --> 00:47:21,577 Nazis did indeed experiment on humans 1076 00:47:21,621 --> 00:47:25,190 in concentration camps in Europe, during World War II. 1077 00:47:25,233 --> 00:47:29,107 What's more, under the leadership of Dr. Josef Mengele, 1078 00:47:29,150 --> 00:47:32,588 thousands of children were the unfortunate test subjects 1079 00:47:32,632 --> 00:47:36,505 and incredibly, in what is known as, Operation Paperclip, 1080 00:47:36,549 --> 00:47:38,507 hundreds of Nazi scientists were brought 1081 00:47:38,551 --> 00:47:40,901 to the United States during the war. 1082 00:47:40,945 --> 00:47:43,382 Given new identities and then exploited 1083 00:47:43,425 --> 00:47:46,776 for their scientific and intelligence value. 1084 00:47:46,820 --> 00:47:49,388 Some of these Nazi scientists are rumored 1085 00:47:49,431 --> 00:47:53,392 to have been the creative force behind the Montauk Project. 1086 00:47:53,435 --> 00:47:55,481 - What were they preparing them for? 1087 00:47:55,524 --> 00:47:58,223 What was the experiment, why would they trigger them? 1088 00:47:58,266 --> 00:48:02,053 - The ultimate goal is for global mind control 1089 00:48:02,096 --> 00:48:05,273 and programming, to create a mind control system 1090 00:48:05,317 --> 00:48:08,929 and have a robotical Borg-type population 1091 00:48:08,973 --> 00:48:12,019 that does whatever you want them to. 1092 00:48:12,063 --> 00:48:15,457 - So is the Montauk Project successful? 1093 00:48:15,501 --> 00:48:17,459 - I can tell you that every single story 1094 00:48:17,503 --> 00:48:22,073 out there is 100% true, I can tell you that aliens do exist, 1095 00:48:22,116 --> 00:48:24,945 I can tell you that time travel has been accomplished, 1096 00:48:24,989 --> 00:48:27,208 that technology has been around since 1097 00:48:27,252 --> 00:48:29,167 before humans were on the Earth. 1098 00:48:29,210 --> 00:48:33,780 Humans are not the original inhabitants of this planet. 1099 00:48:33,823 --> 00:48:35,695 - Stewart is making extraordinary claims. 1100 00:48:35,738 --> 00:48:38,263 You have interviewed a number of people 1101 00:48:38,306 --> 00:48:40,787 who have had extraordinary claims, 1102 00:48:40,830 --> 00:48:43,181 people who've seen UFOs for example. 1103 00:48:43,224 --> 00:48:46,097 I understand a certain baseline level of nervousness, 1104 00:48:46,140 --> 00:48:47,533 you're about to say something that you know 1105 00:48:47,576 --> 00:48:49,927 people are going to think you're crazy 1106 00:48:49,970 --> 00:48:52,146 and of course, that'll make you nervous and reticent. 1107 00:48:52,190 --> 00:48:53,452 Does Stewart seem like that to you? 1108 00:48:53,495 --> 00:48:54,888 Does he seem different? 1109 00:48:54,932 --> 00:48:57,369 - He seems different, he's too sure of himself, 1110 00:48:57,412 --> 00:48:59,675 comparing him to the other people I've interviewed. 1111 00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:02,026 They sort of struggle to process this, 1112 00:49:02,069 --> 00:49:04,637 integrate it, understand it, he claims to have this 1113 00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:07,945 complete overarching view of how everything works, 1114 00:49:07,988 --> 00:49:11,339 from the illuminati to aliens from other star systems. 1115 00:49:11,383 --> 00:49:17,128 [dark ominous music] 1116 00:49:17,171 --> 00:49:18,564 Show time. 1117 00:49:20,566 --> 00:49:22,089 - Good job. - Thanks. 1118 00:49:22,133 --> 00:49:23,699 - Fun times, you got a lot on the table. 1119 00:49:23,743 --> 00:49:25,440 - What questions would you have for Stewart, 1120 00:49:25,484 --> 00:49:27,094 I really think it's important that 1121 00:49:27,138 --> 00:49:28,400 you k every single one of them. 1122 00:49:28,443 --> 00:49:29,488 - Steve's got a whole laundry list. 1123 00:49:29,531 --> 00:49:30,619 - Okay. - Yeah. 1124 00:49:35,581 --> 00:49:37,800 Stewart, Steve Volk, good to meet you, 1125 00:49:37,844 --> 00:49:39,933 been really looking forward to this. 1126 00:49:39,977 --> 00:49:41,804 Um... 1127 00:49:41,848 --> 00:49:44,155 I wrote a book several years ago, 1128 00:49:44,198 --> 00:49:47,071 called Fringe-ology: How I Tried To Explain Away 1129 00:49:47,114 --> 00:49:49,421 the Un-Explainable- And Couldn't 1130 00:49:49,464 --> 00:49:51,771 and so I come at this from a perspective 1131 00:49:51,814 --> 00:49:54,687 of being really open to paranormal claims 1132 00:49:54,730 --> 00:49:57,211 and thinking they should be taken seriously. 1133 00:49:57,255 --> 00:49:59,866 So, one of the interesting things to me about this is that, 1134 00:49:59,909 --> 00:50:02,869 normally the program involving kids, nobody would miss. 1135 00:50:02,912 --> 00:50:08,048 You were different so, whenever you were working 1136 00:50:08,092 --> 00:50:11,095 in the Montauk Project, your parents knew where you were? 1137 00:50:11,138 --> 00:50:13,053 - I can't say that they did. 1138 00:50:13,097 --> 00:50:16,796 I can only tell you that there were times when they said 1139 00:50:16,839 --> 00:50:19,929 they came into my room and I wasn't there. 1140 00:50:19,973 --> 00:50:21,931 - And so, if they came into your room and you weren't there, 1141 00:50:21,975 --> 00:50:23,324 that must have thrown them into a, 1142 00:50:23,368 --> 00:50:24,804 you know, and they didn't expect you to be gone. 1143 00:50:24,847 --> 00:50:26,066 It must have thrown them into a panic. 1144 00:50:26,110 --> 00:50:27,807 - Very interesting question because 1145 00:50:27,850 --> 00:50:31,376 I feel that there was some kind of dampening field 1146 00:50:31,419 --> 00:50:34,553 or control system put on the people 1147 00:50:34,596 --> 00:50:36,903 who were in the house at the time, 1148 00:50:36,946 --> 00:50:39,993 so that they didn't question whatever they observed, 1149 00:50:40,037 --> 00:50:43,562 it just wasn't a matter of normal occurrence to them. 1150 00:50:43,605 --> 00:50:44,867 - They just noticed you were gone 1151 00:50:44,911 --> 00:50:46,304 and not think anymore about it. 1152 00:50:46,347 --> 00:50:48,132 - Not pay any attention to it. 1153 00:50:49,263 --> 00:50:51,439 - Stewart Swerdlow and the dampening field, 1154 00:50:51,483 --> 00:50:53,137 there's some pretty way out stuff that 1155 00:50:53,180 --> 00:50:56,140 the CIA wiz kids can do, but I've never heard about 1156 00:50:56,183 --> 00:50:59,795 anything like a dampening field. 1157 00:50:59,839 --> 00:51:02,668 - Your website reads that you're a gifted hyperspace 1158 00:51:02,711 --> 00:51:05,801 intuitive, able to move your consciousness beyond 1159 00:51:05,845 --> 00:51:09,240 time and space, to determine a person's 1160 00:51:09,283 --> 00:51:12,112 foundational mind pattern upon which 1161 00:51:12,156 --> 00:51:14,767 all our life experiences are based, right? 1162 00:51:14,810 --> 00:51:16,551 - Look at the blinking. 1163 00:51:17,987 --> 00:51:19,772 That is a classic sign of nervousness, 1164 00:51:19,815 --> 00:51:22,122 blinking, rapid blinking. 1165 00:51:22,166 --> 00:51:24,559 Steve starts reading stuff from his website 1166 00:51:24,603 --> 00:51:27,345 and the feeling is, "God, this guy's checked me out. 1167 00:51:27,388 --> 00:51:29,303 "I'm on the record saying this stuff, 1168 00:51:29,347 --> 00:51:30,478 "what kind of questions am I gonna get, 1169 00:51:30,522 --> 00:51:31,871 they're gonna be hard questions." 1170 00:51:31,914 --> 00:51:33,873 And he starts blinking. 1171 00:51:34,874 --> 00:51:36,049 - First, can you define what it 1172 00:51:36,093 --> 00:51:37,833 means to be a hyperspace intuitive? 1173 00:51:37,877 --> 00:51:39,661 - It means that you can move outside of 1174 00:51:39,705 --> 00:51:41,968 physical reality and see the energies 1175 00:51:42,011 --> 00:51:46,277 associated with the existence of a person, place and thing. 1176 00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:49,149 - Okay, so I think the big opportunity for me here is if, 1177 00:51:49,193 --> 00:51:51,804 you know, these things are real and there are people capable of 1178 00:51:51,847 --> 00:51:56,939 doing this stuff, to see them do it and have that validation. 1179 00:51:56,983 --> 00:51:59,899 - You want me to do a reading for you? 1180 00:51:59,942 --> 00:52:02,293 - However brief, however long, 1181 00:52:02,336 --> 00:52:04,512 if you could just give me something, it would be terrific. 1182 00:52:04,556 --> 00:52:07,298 - Well, I could tell you about some of your health issues. 1183 00:52:07,341 --> 00:52:08,690 - Go for it. 1184 00:52:08,734 --> 00:52:10,605 - To look at you right now, straight on, 1185 00:52:10,649 --> 00:52:12,129 I can tell you that you have an issue 1186 00:52:12,172 --> 00:52:15,915 with the hormonal system, testosterone level is a bit low. 1187 00:52:15,958 --> 00:52:18,787 You've also issue with your blood cells, 1188 00:52:18,831 --> 00:52:21,921 are a very low count in red blood cells. 1189 00:52:23,618 --> 00:52:25,664 - Now you're also able to tell people when they're programmed. 1190 00:52:25,707 --> 00:52:27,013 - Mhmm. 1191 00:52:27,056 --> 00:52:28,014 Everyone's programmed. 1192 00:52:28,057 --> 00:52:28,971 - Everyone's programmed? 1193 00:52:29,015 --> 00:52:30,364 - Everyone on this planet. 1194 00:52:30,408 --> 00:52:31,887 - So, I'm programmed? 1195 00:52:31,931 --> 00:52:32,888 - Of course, you are. 1196 00:52:32,932 --> 00:52:34,151 - We're all programmed? 1197 00:52:34,194 --> 00:52:35,500 How would we get out of it? 1198 00:52:35,543 --> 00:52:38,503 What's the de-programming technique. 1199 00:52:38,546 --> 00:52:41,419 - You want me to repeat volumes of books, 1200 00:52:41,462 --> 00:52:43,072 to tell you how to de-program. 1201 00:52:43,116 --> 00:52:45,249 It involves a lot of things. 1202 00:52:45,292 --> 00:52:46,902 - It's interesting, because you have 1203 00:52:46,946 --> 00:52:50,079 such a wide base of knowledge in terms of, 1204 00:52:50,123 --> 00:52:53,518 how people are programmed, how to remove that programming. 1205 00:52:53,561 --> 00:52:56,608 The relationship of various alien races to all this 1206 00:52:56,651 --> 00:53:00,481 and yet, we can't get evidence, 1207 00:53:00,525 --> 00:53:04,006 for instance of Montauk and the project itself. 1208 00:53:04,050 --> 00:53:05,965 - The reason you can't get physical proof, 1209 00:53:06,008 --> 00:53:07,923 is because if the government admits this, 1210 00:53:07,967 --> 00:53:09,621 they have to take responsibility 1211 00:53:09,664 --> 00:53:12,232 on all the people they've damaged and hurt. 1212 00:53:12,276 --> 00:53:15,192 So they're not going to admit any of this ever. 1213 00:53:17,063 --> 00:53:23,025 - It just-- In past government conspiracies, 1214 00:53:23,069 --> 00:53:25,898 it just seems like some sort of denial, 1215 00:53:25,941 --> 00:53:29,467 some sort of effort would come to stop you now, 1216 00:53:29,510 --> 00:53:33,471 when you're at a level before everybody believes you. 1217 00:53:33,514 --> 00:53:36,778 - They've put me in prison, they've threatened me, 1218 00:53:36,822 --> 00:53:39,259 they harass me on a weekly basis. 1219 00:53:39,303 --> 00:53:41,348 Yes, I'm harassed all the time. 1220 00:53:42,349 --> 00:53:43,568 - Let's talk about the prison thing then, 1221 00:53:43,611 --> 00:53:45,178 when did they put you in prison. 1222 00:53:45,222 --> 00:53:49,922 - They put me in prison in 19... 1223 00:53:49,965 --> 00:53:53,099 92 to 93 maybe. 1224 00:53:53,142 --> 00:53:54,666 - For? 1225 00:53:54,709 --> 00:53:56,581 - One count of bank fraud. 1226 00:53:56,624 --> 00:53:58,539 - You plead guilty in the case right? 1227 00:53:58,583 --> 00:54:03,196 - I was forced to because they threatened my family. 1228 00:54:04,632 --> 00:54:07,156 - There is a long running non-profit, 1229 00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:10,508 called, the Cult Education Institute run by Rick Ross 1230 00:54:10,551 --> 00:54:12,771 and they have a public forum where 1231 00:54:12,814 --> 00:54:14,860 people have concerns about groups, 1232 00:54:14,903 --> 00:54:16,514 can post there possibly- 1233 00:54:16,557 --> 00:54:17,819 - I'm going to interrupt, I'm sorry... 1234 00:54:17,863 --> 00:54:19,952 - Here we go. - But that... 1235 00:54:19,995 --> 00:54:21,780 - I don't think I like the line of questioning. 1236 00:54:21,823 --> 00:54:23,390 - I don't either and that man, I'll tell you, 1237 00:54:23,434 --> 00:54:26,741 I know exactly who it is, who has written those things 1238 00:54:26,785 --> 00:54:30,832 and they lie and they have had problems with us 1239 00:54:30,876 --> 00:54:34,619 and they have attacked us and, I don't want him addressing it. 1240 00:54:34,662 --> 00:54:36,708 I even myself, have wrote to Rick Ross, 1241 00:54:36,751 --> 00:54:38,318 to say, "Please take this down." 1242 00:54:38,362 --> 00:54:39,798 - I think he is a fraud. 1243 00:54:39,841 --> 00:54:41,278 - JANET: I don't want to go there. 1244 00:54:41,321 --> 00:54:43,062 This was supposed to be about Montauk, 1245 00:54:43,105 --> 00:54:44,411 not to interrogate 1246 00:54:44,455 --> 00:54:46,326 and try and make this into something it's not. 1247 00:54:46,370 --> 00:54:49,329 - What is your agenda? 1248 00:54:49,373 --> 00:54:51,331 What is your agenda because your line of questioning 1249 00:54:51,375 --> 00:54:56,902 is quite disturbing. 1250 00:54:56,945 --> 00:54:58,382 ine 1251 00:54:58,425 --> 00:54:59,557 of questioning is quite disturbing. 1252 00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:01,689 - My agenda is to ask the questions 1253 00:55:01,733 --> 00:55:04,866 that I think any reporter would ask. 1254 00:55:04,910 --> 00:55:06,781 - NARRATOR: Steve Volk's interview 1255 00:55:06,825 --> 00:55:09,349 with a self-professed central player in the Montauk Project, 1256 00:55:09,393 --> 00:55:12,134 Stewart Swerdlow, devolves into chaos. 1257 00:55:12,178 --> 00:55:13,571 - JANET: I am so angry. 1258 00:55:13,614 --> 00:55:15,312 Christopher, I want you out of my house. 1259 00:55:15,355 --> 00:55:18,924 [tense music] 1260 00:55:18,967 --> 00:55:20,491 - BARRY: So, that was different. 1261 00:55:20,534 --> 00:55:22,362 - I've never been kicked out of anybody's house before. 1262 00:55:22,406 --> 00:55:23,929 In a 20-year career I've never 1263 00:55:23,972 --> 00:55:25,191 been kicked out of anybody's office, 1264 00:55:25,234 --> 00:55:26,671 I've never been kicked out of an interview. 1265 00:55:26,714 --> 00:55:29,543 - BARRY: Why do you think it was different today? 1266 00:55:29,587 --> 00:55:33,678 - I'm convinced that he was never approached this way before 1267 00:55:33,721 --> 00:55:37,682 by a standard issue journalist doing standard journalism, 1268 00:55:37,725 --> 00:55:39,945 pulling documents, asking these questions, 1269 00:55:39,988 --> 00:55:41,773 and he did not know how to handle it. 1270 00:55:41,816 --> 00:55:43,992 - Okay, so my question for you two is 1271 00:55:44,036 --> 00:55:47,387 is the Montauk Project not true because of that? 1272 00:55:47,431 --> 00:55:48,997 - See, that's a great question. 1273 00:55:49,041 --> 00:55:51,173 Just because we may have uncovered someone 1274 00:55:51,217 --> 00:55:54,568 who was glomming onto the Montauk allegations 1275 00:55:54,612 --> 00:55:57,484 and finding a way to grift off that. 1276 00:55:57,528 --> 00:55:59,486 That doesn't mean that the underlying allegations 1277 00:55:59,530 --> 00:56:01,662 aren't true, this is just an opportunist 1278 00:56:01,706 --> 00:56:03,577 who's taking advantage, possibly, right? 1279 00:56:03,621 --> 00:56:05,405 The fact that one person's taking advantage 1280 00:56:05,449 --> 00:56:07,755 isn't proof that the thing itself didn't happen. 1281 00:56:07,799 --> 00:56:10,192 So that's part of the challenge of what we're doing here. 1282 00:56:10,236 --> 00:56:13,413 It's gonna be hard to find definitive proof, 1283 00:56:13,457 --> 00:56:16,416 positive proof of the underlying claims. 1284 00:56:16,460 --> 00:56:18,853 - NARRATOR: The underlying claims of the Montauk Project. 1285 00:56:20,594 --> 00:56:24,076 Abduction of children for human experimentation, 1286 00:56:24,119 --> 00:56:26,165 a vast mind control program, 1287 00:56:26,208 --> 00:56:27,862 LSD testing, 1288 00:56:27,906 --> 00:56:32,040 and the successful application of a time-travel device. 1289 00:56:32,084 --> 00:56:35,957 The allegations lead directly to one Preston Nichols. 1290 00:56:36,001 --> 00:56:38,307 Author of theMontauk Project , 1291 00:56:38,351 --> 00:56:41,180 Nichols is the lead protagonist of the legend 1292 00:56:41,223 --> 00:56:44,531 and the most active spokesperson of this enduring mystery. 1293 00:56:45,706 --> 00:56:47,404 The men have secured a meeting with him. 1294 00:56:47,447 --> 00:56:49,275 Yet before they make their way to his compound 1295 00:56:49,318 --> 00:56:51,059 in Upstate New York, 1296 00:56:51,103 --> 00:56:53,279 they stop by an old friend and follower 1297 00:56:53,322 --> 00:56:55,063 whom they hope can lay the groundwork 1298 00:56:55,107 --> 00:56:57,936 for their most important interview to date. 1299 00:56:57,979 --> 00:57:01,418 - We're on our way to see a woman named Doreen Buckman. 1300 00:57:01,461 --> 00:57:03,724 She was at the early meetings with Preston Nichols 1301 00:57:03,768 --> 00:57:05,944 and Al Bielek at the psychotronic meetings. 1302 00:57:05,987 --> 00:57:07,772 This happened in the mid 80s. 1303 00:57:09,948 --> 00:57:10,992 - CHRIS: Hi Doreen. 1304 00:57:11,036 --> 00:57:12,385 - How are you? - Nice to meet you, 1305 00:57:12,429 --> 00:57:13,517 I'm Christopher. 1306 00:57:13,560 --> 00:57:15,083 We're here today to really talk to you 1307 00:57:15,127 --> 00:57:17,738 about your experiences and the early psychotronic group 1308 00:57:17,782 --> 00:57:19,305 with Preston Nichols. 1309 00:57:19,348 --> 00:57:21,089 - Preston was a brilliant man. 1310 00:57:21,133 --> 00:57:24,658 You know, his posse of guys would think he was an avatar. 1311 00:57:24,702 --> 00:57:28,488 He was a genius, he was very concise when he talked 1312 00:57:28,532 --> 00:57:32,840 and he could take these very very complex scientific topics 1313 00:57:32,884 --> 00:57:34,886 and really bring them down. 1314 00:57:36,061 --> 00:57:38,063 - I'm gonna show you the two receivers 1315 00:57:38,106 --> 00:57:40,718 as featured in the Montauk Book 1316 00:57:40,761 --> 00:57:42,633 - NARRATOR: In the 1970s and 80s, 1317 00:57:42,676 --> 00:57:45,592 Nichols was at the forefront of a mind control movement 1318 00:57:45,636 --> 00:57:49,204 called psychotronics, a branch of parapsychology 1319 00:57:49,248 --> 00:57:51,076 that claims that government agents 1320 00:57:51,119 --> 00:57:54,253 use electromagnetic radiation to transmit 1321 00:57:54,296 --> 00:57:56,864 thoughts and sounds into people's heads. 1322 00:57:58,083 --> 00:58:00,302 His followers, such as Doreen, 1323 00:58:00,346 --> 00:58:02,827 claim he could do incredible things. 1324 00:58:04,176 --> 00:58:05,438 - Preston was talking about the government 1325 00:58:05,482 --> 00:58:07,048 controlling the weather, and it sounded 1326 00:58:07,092 --> 00:58:09,094 so off the hook to me. 1327 00:58:09,137 --> 00:58:11,705 I'm like, rolling my eyes thinking really, 1328 00:58:11,749 --> 00:58:13,141 controlling the weather? 1329 00:58:13,185 --> 00:58:15,753 He had this electronic box with dials on it 1330 00:58:15,796 --> 00:58:18,451 and in less than three seconds 1331 00:58:18,495 --> 00:58:20,975 he changed the weather in that room. 1332 00:58:21,019 --> 00:58:23,761 And if I wasn't there, I woulda never believed it. 1333 00:58:23,804 --> 00:58:27,068 All of a sudden it was freezing like you were in the Arctic. 1334 00:58:27,112 --> 00:58:29,244 It was less than three seconds, 1335 00:58:29,288 --> 00:58:34,336 I was like okay, maybe they can control the weather. 1336 00:58:34,380 --> 00:58:36,295 - So that really happened, you felt the change? 1337 00:58:36,338 --> 00:58:37,905 - If I wasn't there, I would not believe it. 1338 00:58:37,949 --> 00:58:41,779 [dramatic music] 1339 00:58:41,822 --> 00:58:43,389 - CHRIS: I really don't think there's anything 1340 00:58:43,432 --> 00:58:46,131 I can say to prepare you for what you're about to see. 1341 00:58:46,174 --> 00:58:50,352 [tense music] 1342 00:58:50,396 --> 00:58:51,832 - STEVE: The Outer Limits. 1343 00:58:51,876 --> 00:58:54,879 - CHRIS: Yup, The Outer Limits. 1344 00:58:54,922 --> 00:58:58,578 - He's got solar panels, it looks like a junkyard. 1345 00:58:58,622 --> 00:59:06,107 [suspenseful music] 1346 00:59:06,151 --> 00:59:09,284 I've been to some really interesting places 1347 00:59:09,328 --> 00:59:12,636 in my time with the CIA, top secret places, 1348 00:59:12,679 --> 00:59:15,987 and I've also traveled extensively throughout 1349 00:59:16,030 --> 00:59:17,466 the world. 1350 00:59:17,510 --> 00:59:20,208 I have never seen anything like what I saw 1351 00:59:20,252 --> 00:59:22,559 at Preston's compound. 1352 00:59:24,299 --> 00:59:28,260 - Just a regular pot on my head. 1353 00:59:28,303 --> 00:59:33,526 In order to prevent microwaving from the satellite system 1354 00:59:33,570 --> 00:59:37,704 over the planet, you need a solid metal, 1355 00:59:37,748 --> 00:59:41,273 not just a loose metal, but it has to be solid. 1356 00:59:43,057 --> 00:59:45,451 - So Preston, tell me about where we are right now. 1357 00:59:45,494 --> 00:59:47,192 What is this place? 1358 00:59:47,235 --> 00:59:50,804 - This is my metaphysical lab here. 1359 00:59:50,848 --> 00:59:53,633 The mind-amplifying sound system, 1360 00:59:53,677 --> 01:00:00,161 and all this stuff here forms a big radionics machine. 1361 01:00:01,380 --> 01:00:03,512 - And what does a radionics machine do? 1362 01:00:03,556 --> 01:00:08,779 - It uses the quantum energies of the sound system 1363 01:00:08,822 --> 01:00:13,087 to store into the vacuum tubes 1364 01:00:13,131 --> 01:00:18,049 and I can put my thoughts through the sound system 1365 01:00:18,092 --> 01:00:21,269 into the vacuum tubes and reach out 1366 01:00:21,313 --> 01:00:25,491 on a quantum level and do things, so to speak. 1367 01:00:27,014 --> 01:00:29,234 - Quantum electronics. 1368 01:00:31,932 --> 01:00:33,847 Is that a thing, have you ever heard of it? 1369 01:00:33,891 --> 01:00:36,502 - So at what point were you recruited 1370 01:00:36,545 --> 01:00:37,677 for the Montauk Project? 1371 01:00:37,721 --> 01:00:40,071 Do you have a memory of that? 1372 01:00:40,114 --> 01:00:41,507 - 1968. 1373 01:00:41,550 --> 01:00:42,943 - CHRIS: '68? 1374 01:00:42,987 --> 01:00:45,729 - But I'm not too sure. 1375 01:00:45,772 --> 01:00:51,430 See, I have recollections of going somewhere 1376 01:00:51,473 --> 01:00:55,260 through the teleporter and ending up 1377 01:00:55,303 --> 01:01:00,265 in an area disassembling this huge UFO. 1378 01:01:02,136 --> 01:01:04,965 And I thought it was out at Montauk. 1379 01:01:05,749 --> 01:01:07,185 This board right here, 1380 01:01:07,228 --> 01:01:10,536 this is the Delta-T antenna terminal interface. 1381 01:01:10,579 --> 01:01:13,670 You can patch the REO in the RF from here. 1382 01:01:14,758 --> 01:01:15,715 - CHRIS: You worked on the SAGE radar tower? 1383 01:01:15,759 --> 01:01:17,325 - Yeah, I did. 1384 01:01:17,369 --> 01:01:18,544 - CHRIS: They sent you out there to do some work-- 1385 01:01:18,587 --> 01:01:19,632 - Yeah, to do some work. 1386 01:01:19,676 --> 01:01:21,068 - And at that time, did you notice 1387 01:01:21,112 --> 01:01:22,635 anything out of the ordinary? 1388 01:01:22,679 --> 01:01:25,638 - You know, what they did is they generated 1389 01:01:25,682 --> 01:01:29,555 another parallel timeline that I worked on. 1390 01:01:29,598 --> 01:01:33,733 Once I pulled back the memory of that parallel timeline, 1391 01:01:33,777 --> 01:01:36,127 bang, it all comes in. 1392 01:01:36,170 --> 01:01:39,347 It all comes in as a confused mess. 1393 01:01:40,348 --> 01:01:42,307 - When did you start to realize 1394 01:01:42,350 --> 01:01:45,266 that this was a mind control project? 1395 01:01:45,310 --> 01:01:49,314 I know that they were recruiting kinda runaways and unwanteds. 1396 01:01:49,357 --> 01:01:51,577 - They were taking people 1397 01:01:51,620 --> 01:01:58,497 and they were literally shattering their minds. 1398 01:01:58,540 --> 01:02:00,020 Cairo New York, 1399 01:02:00,064 --> 01:02:02,022 home to the picturesque Blackhead Mountains 1400 01:02:02,066 --> 01:02:06,200 and to Preston Nichols, author of the Montauk Project , 1401 01:02:06,244 --> 01:02:08,637 a book that claims a deep government conspiracy 1402 01:02:08,681 --> 01:02:11,118 involving mind control, time travel 1403 01:02:11,162 --> 01:02:14,208 and the abduction of teenage boys. 1404 01:02:14,252 --> 01:02:18,212 - They were taking people and they were literally 1405 01:02:18,256 --> 01:02:19,866 shattering their minds. 1406 01:02:21,172 --> 01:02:24,828 They have this army of probably a million people, 1407 01:02:24,871 --> 01:02:28,570 that are in reserve, in the public, 1408 01:02:28,614 --> 01:02:32,792 in reserve ready to be activated and called on. 1409 01:02:32,836 --> 01:02:35,490 - NARRATOR: Former CIA, Eisler and journalist, Volk 1410 01:02:35,534 --> 01:02:37,666 are engaged, yet frustrated. 1411 01:02:37,710 --> 01:02:39,320 [sharp exhales] 1412 01:02:39,364 --> 01:02:41,453 They want to see hard evidence of these claims. 1413 01:02:41,496 --> 01:02:43,324 - There isn't much time left. 1414 01:02:43,368 --> 01:02:46,675 Is there anything you can demonstrate 1415 01:02:46,719 --> 01:02:49,156 as a form of proof for all the people 1416 01:02:49,200 --> 01:02:52,769 who are going to doubt your story. 1417 01:02:54,292 --> 01:02:56,076 - NARRATOR: As Volk replaces the filmmaker, Garetano 1418 01:02:56,120 --> 01:02:58,426 in the interview chair, the no-nonsense 1419 01:02:58,470 --> 01:03:01,081 investigative reporter jumps right in. 1420 01:03:01,125 --> 01:03:03,040 - Where did you get your engineering degree from? 1421 01:03:03,083 --> 01:03:04,824 Where'd you actually get the degree? 1422 01:03:04,868 --> 01:03:09,263 - University of Tampa. 1423 01:03:09,307 --> 01:03:10,612 - Okay. 1424 01:03:10,656 --> 01:03:13,572 University of Tampa Bay, something I can check. 1425 01:03:13,615 --> 01:03:15,313 So, tell me about the super soldiers, 1426 01:03:15,356 --> 01:03:17,097 are you aware of any success stories at all 1427 01:03:17,141 --> 01:03:19,578 with the super soldier part of the program? 1428 01:03:19,621 --> 01:03:23,234 - I heard about it when I deprogrammed 1429 01:03:23,277 --> 01:03:26,063 quite a few other guys on Long Island. 1430 01:03:26,106 --> 01:03:29,893 I heard of these guys going aboard a ship, 1431 01:03:29,936 --> 01:03:32,547 going another planet, fighting battles. 1432 01:03:34,027 --> 01:03:35,376 - How do you feel about him? 1433 01:03:35,420 --> 01:03:38,249 - If there's any truth to any of this 1434 01:03:38,292 --> 01:03:40,991 and the government wanted to discredit it, 1435 01:03:41,034 --> 01:03:43,950 you could not design something better than that. 1436 01:03:43,994 --> 01:03:47,519 There's a guy outside, wearing a cook pot on his head 1437 01:03:47,562 --> 01:03:50,087 and our conversation was completely normal 1438 01:03:50,130 --> 01:03:52,524 but he's wearing a cook pot on his head. 1439 01:03:52,567 --> 01:03:55,440 - So, the Montauk Project, the story as a whole, 1440 01:03:55,483 --> 01:03:58,225 is so fantastic and what would be 1441 01:03:58,269 --> 01:04:03,491 incredible is to get some kind of evidence or proof right? 1442 01:04:03,535 --> 01:04:05,929 So, is there any of that technology 1443 01:04:05,972 --> 01:04:09,019 that you can demonstrate at this point. 1444 01:04:09,062 --> 01:04:11,978 Are you capable at this point of building a time machine? 1445 01:04:12,022 --> 01:04:13,719 - Not yet. 1446 01:04:13,762 --> 01:04:15,808 - Not yet, but there was one built for the Montauk Project? 1447 01:04:15,852 --> 01:04:17,766 - Yeah. 1448 01:04:17,810 --> 01:04:20,639 - You say you have a degree in electrical engineering right? 1449 01:04:20,682 --> 01:04:22,467 With your background and having 1450 01:04:22,510 --> 01:04:25,862 helped create and design the system, 1451 01:04:25,905 --> 01:04:27,733 it would seem that you would have been 1452 01:04:27,776 --> 01:04:30,910 capable of drawing up the complete schematic right? 1453 01:04:30,954 --> 01:04:32,259 You wouldn't have to worry about money again, 1454 01:04:32,303 --> 01:04:34,392 all these years that you had to do this. 1455 01:04:34,435 --> 01:04:36,785 - No, you know what I'd have to be worried about? 1456 01:04:36,829 --> 01:04:38,439 Being six foot under. 1457 01:04:40,920 --> 01:04:44,141 The government does not want the public 1458 01:04:44,184 --> 01:04:48,580 having any access to a time device whatsoever. 1459 01:04:50,364 --> 01:04:55,804 As long as the Montauk Project stays a legend, 1460 01:04:55,848 --> 01:04:58,242 as I say in the book, you can believe 1461 01:04:58,285 --> 01:05:02,724 it is fact or you can believe it as a science fiction. 1462 01:05:03,638 --> 01:05:04,813 - One thing that is really clear to me, 1463 01:05:04,857 --> 01:05:07,033 leaving Preston Nichols' place is, 1464 01:05:07,077 --> 01:05:10,515 if you consider the man that Doreen described, 1465 01:05:10,558 --> 01:05:13,910 a kind of avatar, almost a guru figure 1466 01:05:13,953 --> 01:05:18,175 that people gravitated toward and if you look at the 1467 01:05:18,218 --> 01:05:20,960 guy that got captured by Chris on film, 1468 01:05:21,004 --> 01:05:25,573 you can see, decay happening. 1469 01:05:25,617 --> 01:05:27,967 I'm sure that we did not meet quite 1470 01:05:28,011 --> 01:05:29,403 the same Preston Nichols that 1471 01:05:29,447 --> 01:05:31,405 other people had met years earlier. 1472 01:05:32,885 --> 01:05:34,278 - NARRATOR: Yet what does Preston's deterioration 1473 01:05:34,321 --> 01:05:36,715 mean for the Montauk Project at large. 1474 01:05:36,758 --> 01:05:38,760 Does it make the tale less valid? 1475 01:05:38,804 --> 01:05:42,199 For the former spook, Eisler, the answer is obvious. 1476 01:05:42,242 --> 01:05:44,201 - Preston seems to really believe this stuff 1477 01:05:44,244 --> 01:05:45,463 that he's saying. 1478 01:05:45,506 --> 01:05:46,943 I will say this, 1479 01:05:46,986 --> 01:05:48,379 you don't have to believe in the supernatural 1480 01:05:48,422 --> 01:05:50,598 or in science fiction to believe that, 1481 01:05:50,642 --> 01:05:54,559 in fact to know, that humans do sometimes 1482 01:05:54,602 --> 01:05:57,954 conduct experiments on other humans. 1483 01:05:57,997 --> 01:05:59,694 - ED BRADLEY: The CIA does not deny that 1484 01:05:59,738 --> 01:06:01,653 the experiments took place. 1485 01:06:01,696 --> 01:06:03,960 - What most excites me about this project, 1486 01:06:04,003 --> 01:06:06,919 is the opportunity to put the allegations 1487 01:06:06,963 --> 01:06:09,966 in historical perspective, by examining 1488 01:06:10,009 --> 01:06:13,143 the actual history of human experimentation in America. 1489 01:06:15,058 --> 01:06:16,755 Well, Holmesburg is one of those 1490 01:06:16,798 --> 01:06:19,453 actual instances of human experimentation. 1491 01:06:21,020 --> 01:06:23,457 - NARRATOR: Holmesburg Prison in Philadelphia, 1492 01:06:23,501 --> 01:06:26,634 like MKUltra and other sanctioned government programs, 1493 01:06:26,678 --> 01:06:29,420 one's a hot bed for human experimentation, 1494 01:06:29,463 --> 01:06:31,900 government overreach and access. 1495 01:06:32,684 --> 01:06:34,294 - And the reason that you are here, 1496 01:06:34,338 --> 01:06:37,558 is because of the infamous medical experiments 1497 01:06:37,602 --> 01:06:40,822 that took place here for a quarter century. 1498 01:06:40,866 --> 01:06:42,868 - NARRATOR: Now, the next stop for the team 1499 01:06:42,911 --> 01:06:45,610 investigating Montauk, to look for parallels 1500 01:06:45,653 --> 01:06:48,526 and lengths back to Camp Hero. 1501 01:06:48,569 --> 01:06:52,182 - This facility became the K-Mart of human experimentation 1502 01:06:52,225 --> 01:06:54,880 in Cold War America. 1503 01:06:59,928 --> 01:07:01,756 estigation 1504 01:07:01,800 --> 01:07:03,323 into the Montauk Project. 1505 01:07:03,367 --> 01:07:05,282 While aspects of the tale at Camp Hero sounero d 1506 01:07:05,325 --> 01:07:08,024 extreme and sinister, many of its claims 1507 01:07:08,067 --> 01:07:10,461 mirror a pattern of behavior proven true 1508 01:07:10,504 --> 01:07:12,376 at other government facilities. 1509 01:07:13,855 --> 01:07:15,596 - So many Americans don't know about these darker chapters 1510 01:07:15,640 --> 01:07:17,424 of the country's history. 1511 01:07:17,468 --> 01:07:19,426 These experiments have actually been done on prisoners, 1512 01:07:19,470 --> 01:07:21,820 orphans, disabled children. 1513 01:07:23,735 --> 01:07:26,607 The question we're trying to answer is, 1514 01:07:26,651 --> 01:07:29,697 did these things happen at Montauk? 1515 01:07:29,741 --> 01:07:31,525 - NARRATOR: To help answer it, the men have arrived 1516 01:07:31,569 --> 01:07:35,094 in the City of Brotherly Love, the stomping ground 1517 01:07:35,138 --> 01:07:37,879 of investigative reporter Steve Volk. 1518 01:07:38,750 --> 01:07:40,752 - Alright, fellas, today we are going to move beyond 1519 01:07:40,795 --> 01:07:44,103 the realm of conspiracy theory 1520 01:07:44,147 --> 01:07:47,889 and into conspiracy fact and history. 1521 01:07:47,933 --> 01:07:52,155 I wanted to take Chris and Barry to Philadelphia, 1522 01:07:52,198 --> 01:07:56,333 my hometown, to show them a conspiracy 1523 01:07:56,376 --> 01:07:58,291 that's still outrageous, but it's grounded, 1524 01:07:58,335 --> 01:08:00,380 because we know it happened. 1525 01:08:00,424 --> 01:08:02,208 And here are the people that went through it. 1526 01:08:03,775 --> 01:08:05,603 - NARRATOR: Holmesburg today is permanently shut down, 1527 01:08:05,646 --> 01:08:09,128 but this massive complex built in the late 19th century 1528 01:08:09,172 --> 01:08:12,566 was once home to Al Capone, and is infamous for hosting 1529 01:08:12,610 --> 01:08:16,353 a clandestine bioethics research project gone wrong, 1530 01:08:16,395 --> 01:08:20,139 where inmates were used as human lab rats. 1531 01:08:20,183 --> 01:08:27,363 [ominous suspenseful music] 1532 01:08:27,407 --> 01:08:29,540 - BARRY: This is imposing, look at this. 1533 01:08:29,582 --> 01:08:33,064 Iron riveted doors about 15 feet high. 1534 01:08:34,327 --> 01:08:35,546 - ALLEN: Gentlemen! 1535 01:08:35,589 --> 01:08:36,286 - Hello there. 1536 01:08:36,328 --> 01:08:37,809 - Allen Hornblum. 1537 01:08:37,852 --> 01:08:39,810 Welcome to Northeast Philly and Holmesburg Prison. 1538 01:08:41,291 --> 01:08:43,249 - NARRATOR: Allen Hornblum, author and lecturer, 1539 01:08:43,292 --> 01:08:45,991 ran an adult literacy program at the prison 1540 01:08:46,033 --> 01:08:48,733 starting in 1971. 1541 01:08:48,776 --> 01:08:52,345 Over time, he witnesses events that inform his seminal work 1542 01:08:52,389 --> 01:08:56,654 of non-fiction, and a classic in the field of bioethics, 1543 01:08:56,697 --> 01:08:58,569 Acres of Skin. 1544 01:08:58,612 --> 01:09:00,091 - We've got a scholar Allen Hornblum, 1545 01:09:00,136 --> 01:09:01,962 who's written an entire footnoted book including 1546 01:09:02,006 --> 01:09:04,227 interviews with many of the participants and the victims 1547 01:09:04,270 --> 01:09:06,185 of these studies. 1548 01:09:06,229 --> 01:09:09,841 - This facility was built in 1895, 1549 01:09:09,884 --> 01:09:11,669 the end of the Victorian Era. 1550 01:09:11,712 --> 01:09:16,282 [suspenseful music] 1551 01:09:16,326 --> 01:09:18,850 And the reason that you are here is because 1552 01:09:18,893 --> 01:09:22,201 of the infamous medical experiments that took place here 1553 01:09:22,245 --> 01:09:24,203 for a quarter century. 1554 01:09:24,247 --> 01:09:28,337 [suspenseful music] 1555 01:09:28,381 --> 01:09:31,863 This facility became the K-Mart of human experimentation 1556 01:09:31,906 --> 01:09:34,082 in Cold War America. 1557 01:09:34,126 --> 01:09:37,042 Regrettably, very few Americans know 1558 01:09:37,085 --> 01:09:40,959 that some very, very nasty unsavory things 1559 01:09:41,002 --> 01:09:43,221 took place in the name of science in America, 1560 01:09:43,265 --> 01:09:45,484 not just Nazi Germany. 1561 01:09:45,529 --> 01:09:49,533 The worst case is that they were applying dioxin 1562 01:09:49,576 --> 01:09:53,363 to the faces and backs of prisoners here. 1563 01:09:53,406 --> 01:09:56,409 - This is an ingredient in Agent Orange, is that right? 1564 01:09:56,453 --> 01:09:59,325 - It's the most carcinogenic 1565 01:09:59,369 --> 01:10:02,720 and dangerous part of the Agent Orange. 1566 01:10:04,374 --> 01:10:06,071 - NARRATOR: Although the doctor behind these experiments, 1567 01:10:06,114 --> 01:10:08,334 Albert Kligman, destroyed most of the records 1568 01:10:08,378 --> 01:10:11,250 when the program was exposed in 1974, 1569 01:10:11,294 --> 01:10:14,906 we know the Holmesburg Prison experiment to be fact. 1570 01:10:14,949 --> 01:10:18,866 Kligman has proudly admitted to such experimentation. 1571 01:10:18,910 --> 01:10:22,043 His former employers and the U.S. Army don't deny that 1572 01:10:22,087 --> 01:10:25,133 the tests were conducted for their research purposes. 1573 01:10:25,177 --> 01:10:27,962 And most telling of all, a number of patients left 1574 01:10:28,006 --> 01:10:31,618 the prison to tell their first person stories to Hornblum. 1575 01:10:31,662 --> 01:10:35,883 - ALLEN: This was a room converted to a laboratory area 1576 01:10:35,927 --> 01:10:37,929 where the doctors kept a lot of their materials 1577 01:10:37,972 --> 01:10:40,410 and chicals and things like that. 1578 01:10:40,453 --> 01:10:43,500 - BARRY: What other experiments were conducted here 1579 01:10:43,543 --> 01:10:45,937 besides just the dermatological experiments? 1580 01:10:45,980 --> 01:10:47,504 We read about LSD? 1581 01:10:47,547 --> 01:10:51,421 - ALLEN: The Army comes in here in 1963. 1582 01:10:51,464 --> 01:10:55,425 They're looking for basically the Manchurian Candidate. 1583 01:10:55,468 --> 01:10:57,992 They're trying to come up with a chemical that they can 1584 01:10:58,036 --> 01:11:00,995 give an inmate, and then they can direct him 1585 01:11:01,039 --> 01:11:03,259 to do certain things, if they wish. 1586 01:11:03,302 --> 01:11:04,477 - So, this was real? 1587 01:11:04,521 --> 01:11:07,088 - Uh, this was real, it happened here. 1588 01:11:08,438 --> 01:11:09,656 - CHRIS: We talk about the Montauk Project, and when people 1589 01:11:09,700 --> 01:11:12,442 hear the term Manchurian Candidate... 1590 01:11:12,485 --> 01:11:14,357 You know, some people laugh at the idea. 1591 01:11:14,400 --> 01:11:16,750 But now we're sitting in front of Allen Hornblum 1592 01:11:16,794 --> 01:11:20,058 and he says and confirms that gentlemen 1593 01:11:20,101 --> 01:11:22,365 were being used at Holmesburg Prison 1594 01:11:22,408 --> 01:11:24,845 to be turned into Manchurian Candidates. 1595 01:11:25,977 --> 01:11:28,066 So Allen, the bottom line is that they were conducting 1596 01:11:28,109 --> 01:11:30,547 mind control experiments here for sure. 1597 01:11:30,590 --> 01:11:33,593 - ALLEN: Without a doubt, the U.S. Army Chemical Corps 1598 01:11:33,637 --> 01:11:37,075 was performing mind control experiments in here 1599 01:11:37,118 --> 01:11:42,733 from 1963 to approximately 1971, 72. 1600 01:11:44,082 --> 01:11:45,910 - NARRATOR: The men are in for more. 1601 01:11:45,953 --> 01:11:48,042 Two survivors from Holmesburg have agreed 1602 01:11:48,086 --> 01:11:49,740 to sit for interviews, 1603 01:11:49,783 --> 01:11:53,613 Edward Yusef Anthony, and Leodus Jones. 1604 01:11:53,657 --> 01:11:56,790 An impassioned Eisler decides to lead the charge. 1605 01:11:56,834 --> 01:12:00,054 - When you locked up at night, a guy comes down the block 1606 01:12:00,098 --> 01:12:02,230 pushing a hand truck, 1607 01:12:02,274 --> 01:12:05,233 with cups of medication on it. 1608 01:12:05,277 --> 01:12:07,714 - They would have you to sign, 1609 01:12:07,758 --> 01:12:10,151 a consent form. 1610 01:12:10,195 --> 01:12:11,457 - Did you ever have an opportunity to consult 1611 01:12:11,501 --> 01:12:13,503 with a lawyer before signing that form? 1612 01:12:13,546 --> 01:12:15,069 - No. 1613 01:12:15,113 --> 01:12:17,289 - They coerce you to believe that the tests are safe. 1614 01:12:17,333 --> 01:12:18,638 - They told you they were safe. 1615 01:12:18,682 --> 01:12:21,032 - Yeah, they tell you that in, in orientation. 1616 01:12:21,075 --> 01:12:23,295 It's nothing to worry about. 1617 01:12:23,339 --> 01:12:26,080 - They took my forearm, 1618 01:12:26,124 --> 01:12:29,736 and they used some scotch tape. 1619 01:12:30,433 --> 01:12:32,478 And what they would do is, 1620 01:12:32,522 --> 01:12:35,481 put the tape in this area, 1621 01:12:35,525 --> 01:12:37,135 and just stick it, pull it, stick it, pull it, 1622 01:12:37,178 --> 01:12:39,180 stick it, pull it and stick it, and pull it 1623 01:12:39,224 --> 01:12:43,837 until they pull off the top layer of skin. 1624 01:12:43,881 --> 01:12:46,405 And then they would use the dropper 1625 01:12:46,449 --> 01:12:51,105 to put some kind of liquid solution in that area. 1626 01:12:51,149 --> 01:12:53,412 - They didn't tell you what that liquid solution was. 1627 01:12:53,456 --> 01:12:55,458 - Uh, no, they didn't. 1628 01:12:55,501 --> 01:12:57,285 - It was cold. 1629 01:12:57,329 --> 01:13:00,027 And next thing you know, I could taste it all in my mouth, 1630 01:13:00,071 --> 01:13:02,508 coming from my bloodstream, you know. 1631 01:13:02,552 --> 01:13:04,815 And I gets to my cell. 1632 01:13:04,858 --> 01:13:08,471 And I stepped in the cell, I just fell out, boom! 1633 01:13:08,514 --> 01:13:10,168 On the floor, and my cell partners helped me 1634 01:13:10,211 --> 01:13:11,952 up on the bed. 1635 01:13:11,996 --> 01:13:14,781 And my back felt like it was on fire. 1636 01:13:14,825 --> 01:13:18,002 So I said, "Man, take these things off my back, man." 1637 01:13:18,045 --> 01:13:21,179 So, he stripped them off and put them on the wall. 1638 01:13:22,528 --> 01:13:25,139 Whatever chemical was in that thing ate the paint 1639 01:13:25,183 --> 01:13:26,227 off the wall. 1640 01:13:26,271 --> 01:13:27,620 - Oh my god! 1641 01:13:27,664 --> 01:13:29,796 - Ate the paint off the wall. 1642 01:13:31,145 --> 01:13:35,759 - What took place in here, during that period, 1643 01:13:35,802 --> 01:13:39,110 was inhumane, unjust, 1644 01:13:39,153 --> 01:13:42,809 unconstitutional, 1645 01:13:42,853 --> 01:13:46,422 and disgraceful. 1646 01:13:47,901 --> 01:13:49,337 - NARRATOR: The personal accounts Leodus and Yusef 1647 01:13:49,381 --> 01:13:51,165 share from their time at Holmesburg 1648 01:13:51,209 --> 01:13:53,733 have a visceral impact on the men. 1649 01:13:53,777 --> 01:13:55,996 - Can you imagine what that would have been like? 1650 01:13:56,040 --> 01:13:58,259 Like you're standing there, witnessing it. 1651 01:13:58,303 --> 01:14:00,000 - How do you rationalize something like that? 1652 01:14:00,044 --> 01:14:01,393 How do you look in the mirror and say, 1653 01:14:01,437 --> 01:14:03,787 "I'm one of the good guys, I'm a good person. 1654 01:14:03,830 --> 01:14:05,963 "And that's why I injected a child with radioactive compounds 1655 01:14:06,006 --> 01:14:07,878 "today, just to see what will happen, without his consent 1656 01:14:07,921 --> 01:14:10,184 or any sort of informed consent at all." 1657 01:14:10,228 --> 01:14:12,448 How do you rationalize something like that? 1658 01:14:12,491 --> 01:14:15,102 I hope more people are gonna know about this. 1659 01:14:15,799 --> 01:14:17,191 - All the elements are tantamount 1660 01:14:17,235 --> 01:14:18,932 to the Montauk Project. 1661 01:14:18,976 --> 01:14:22,109 The human experimentation stuff is almost identical 1662 01:14:22,153 --> 01:14:23,981 and so we have to take that into consideration. 1663 01:14:24,024 --> 01:14:26,984 We're looking at something that perhaps once was a thing 1664 01:14:27,027 --> 01:14:29,856 where the victims of Holmesburg tried to tell people 1665 01:14:29,900 --> 01:14:31,815 and they were thought to be crazy. 1666 01:14:33,077 --> 01:14:35,645 Maybe the Montauk Project will be confirmed 1667 01:14:35,688 --> 01:14:38,299 and at some point people will be visiting and talking 1668 01:14:38,343 --> 01:14:40,301 to victims and they'll take it seriously, 1669 01:14:40,345 --> 01:14:43,479 much like we do the Holmesburg Prison experiments. 1670 01:14:45,045 --> 01:14:47,439 - NARRATOR: For that to happen, hard proof of Montauk, 1671 01:14:47,483 --> 01:14:49,310 like which exists at Holmesburg, 1672 01:14:49,354 --> 01:14:52,009 needs to be confirmed and uncovered. 1673 01:14:52,052 --> 01:14:54,490 Might it come through the supposed acid rooms? 1674 01:14:54,533 --> 01:14:56,579 Or will that final piece of definitive proof 1675 01:14:56,622 --> 01:14:58,929 reveal itself from below ground? 1676 01:14:58,972 --> 01:15:02,541 To find out, the men make their way back to Long Island. 1677 01:15:02,585 --> 01:15:05,022 The scientific results from the geophysicists 1678 01:15:05,065 --> 01:15:06,763 are finally ready. 1679 01:15:06,806 --> 01:15:11,855 - We found something really interesting. 1680 01:15:13,073 --> 01:15:15,554 here they started, 1681 01:15:15,598 --> 01:15:17,208 there are two aspects of this investigation 1682 01:15:17,251 --> 01:15:19,558 that remain outstanding and could prove 1683 01:15:19,602 --> 01:15:21,691 the Montauk Project true. 1684 01:15:21,734 --> 01:15:24,607 - Here is the colored room. 1685 01:15:24,650 --> 01:15:26,957 - NARRATOR: First, these pictures and video 1686 01:15:27,000 --> 01:15:29,568 that appear to show rooms at the former military base 1687 01:15:29,612 --> 01:15:33,311 used for LSD testing and human experimentation. 1688 01:15:33,354 --> 01:15:35,487 - It wasn't kids who did this, it's not vandalism. 1689 01:15:35,531 --> 01:15:37,881 It was just, it was too well done. 1690 01:15:37,924 --> 01:15:40,840 - NARRATOR: And second, the results of geophysical testing, 1691 01:15:40,884 --> 01:15:42,929 undertaken by a team of scientists 1692 01:15:42,973 --> 01:15:46,411 to try and show some kind of proof of an underground 1693 01:15:46,454 --> 01:15:49,109 not shown in the government blueprints. 1694 01:15:49,153 --> 01:15:53,244 [Skype call ringing] 1695 01:15:53,287 --> 01:15:53,766 - Hi, Steve! 1696 01:15:53,810 --> 01:15:54,941 - Hey! 1697 01:15:54,985 --> 01:15:56,943 Thanks so much, I really appreciate you 1698 01:15:56,987 --> 01:15:58,728 making some time for this. 1699 01:15:58,771 --> 01:16:00,947 - NARRATOR: While waiting for those results, 1700 01:16:00,991 --> 01:16:03,428 the investigator Volk spends weeks 1701 01:16:03,471 --> 01:16:06,257 digging into the allegations about the LSD rooms 1702 01:16:06,300 --> 01:16:09,565 and potential ties to acid guru Timothy Leary 1703 01:16:09,608 --> 01:16:12,132 among other things learned along the way. 1704 01:16:12,176 --> 01:16:15,222 He presents his findings in Garetano's studio. 1705 01:16:15,266 --> 01:16:19,487 - Preston's interesting to me, because I looked 1706 01:16:19,531 --> 01:16:23,056 to see if he graduated from the University of Tampa. 1707 01:16:23,100 --> 01:16:25,058 He did not graduate, where there's no record 1708 01:16:25,102 --> 01:16:27,104 of him graduating from the University of Tampa. 1709 01:16:27,147 --> 01:16:30,150 But, you know, I did take his book and show 1710 01:16:30,194 --> 01:16:33,545 the diagrams to a couple of electrical engineers 1711 01:16:33,589 --> 01:16:36,853 who said these are not electrical engineering diagrams. 1712 01:16:36,896 --> 01:16:39,029 But in terms of where that leaves us, 1713 01:16:39,072 --> 01:16:41,031 he's kind of a dead circuit to us now 1714 01:16:41,074 --> 01:16:44,512 in terms of proving or disproving the Montauk Project 1715 01:16:44,556 --> 01:16:46,514 because of the condition he's in. 1716 01:16:46,558 --> 01:16:49,692 So, I went ahead and called a number 1717 01:16:49,735 --> 01:16:52,564 of psychedelics researchers, some modern ones, 1718 01:16:52,608 --> 01:16:55,698 David Nutt, Robin Carhart-Harris, 1719 01:16:55,741 --> 01:16:58,135 Ralph Metzner, who is 80 years old, 1720 01:16:58,178 --> 01:17:01,094 who worked directly with Leary. 1721 01:17:01,138 --> 01:17:02,705 Metzner said that he didn't see anything 1722 01:17:02,748 --> 01:17:05,142 particularly psychedelic about the patterns, 1723 01:17:05,185 --> 01:17:08,580 but Nutt and Carhart-Harris said they did. 1724 01:17:10,364 --> 01:17:11,844 Hey! There you are. 1725 01:17:11,888 --> 01:17:14,586 I talked to his son Zachary, 1726 01:17:14,630 --> 01:17:17,415 who's begun working with the archive, 1727 01:17:17,458 --> 01:17:20,592 his archivist Michael Horowitz, Thomas Lannen, 1728 01:17:20,636 --> 01:17:22,376 who presides over the archive and runs it 1729 01:17:22,420 --> 01:17:24,030 at the New York Public Library. 1730 01:17:24,074 --> 01:17:26,380 They all said that, look, the idea 1731 01:17:26,424 --> 01:17:28,600 that he would knowingly participate, 1732 01:17:28,644 --> 01:17:31,081 and that word's key, right, the idea 1733 01:17:31,124 --> 01:17:34,084 that he would knowingly participate in an experiment 1734 01:17:34,127 --> 01:17:36,434 with the military or the government, 1735 01:17:36,477 --> 01:17:39,306 who would clearly be thinking to weaponize 1736 01:17:39,350 --> 01:17:42,483 the very drug that he thought should be a tool 1737 01:17:42,527 --> 01:17:47,010 of liberation is just a total non-starter for them. 1738 01:17:47,053 --> 01:17:48,968 - As far back as I can remember, you know, 1739 01:17:49,012 --> 01:17:53,190 he stood by his claims that psychedelics 1740 01:17:53,233 --> 01:17:55,801 were very very powerful tools that could empower 1741 01:17:55,845 --> 01:17:58,282 the individual to think for themselves. 1742 01:17:58,325 --> 01:18:00,110 - NARRATOR: In sum, it appears unlikely 1743 01:18:00,153 --> 01:18:02,286 that Timothy Leary was in Montauk, 1744 01:18:02,329 --> 01:18:04,462 or had any role at Camp Hero. 1745 01:18:04,505 --> 01:18:06,507 Yet that doesn't mean acid testing 1746 01:18:06,551 --> 01:18:09,641 or other human experimentation didn't occur there. 1747 01:18:13,514 --> 01:18:16,517 The men make their way to the century-old Montauk Manor, 1748 01:18:16,561 --> 01:18:19,433 to meet up with the ground penetrating radar team. 1749 01:18:19,477 --> 01:18:22,349 The results of their underground tests are in. 1750 01:18:22,785 --> 01:18:24,961 - We started out in the bluff area. 1751 01:18:25,004 --> 01:18:27,441 That was an area where we were specifically 1752 01:18:27,485 --> 01:18:30,749 concerned about any large buried metallic object. 1753 01:18:30,793 --> 01:18:33,491 With the magnetometer survey we really didn't find much. 1754 01:18:33,534 --> 01:18:36,015 But the radar was a lot more interesting. 1755 01:18:36,059 --> 01:18:38,148 On that bluff area, there was an area 1756 01:18:38,191 --> 01:18:41,238 of a depressed area of soils. 1757 01:18:41,281 --> 01:18:43,153 When we ran the radar over that, 1758 01:18:43,196 --> 01:18:46,286 we got a really significant change in the response. 1759 01:18:46,330 --> 01:18:48,680 A lot of disruption to the signal. 1760 01:18:48,724 --> 01:18:51,770 So what that typically means is that you've had 1761 01:18:51,814 --> 01:18:54,338 some type of excavation activity 1762 01:18:54,381 --> 01:18:56,035 that has occurred at the property. 1763 01:18:56,079 --> 01:18:58,777 Now, we don't know if the excavation activity 1764 01:18:58,821 --> 01:19:01,780 would have been due to somebody digging 1765 01:19:01,824 --> 01:19:04,696 and burying something, or somebody digging, 1766 01:19:04,740 --> 01:19:08,744 excavating, taking something out, back filling the soils. 1767 01:19:08,787 --> 01:19:11,311 - We've heard everything from stories of barrels 1768 01:19:11,355 --> 01:19:15,794 being interred to, you know, kids being murdered 1769 01:19:15,838 --> 01:19:19,058 in the experiments and perhaps buried out there as well. 1770 01:19:19,102 --> 01:19:22,061 So, I'm just curious, something was buried there 1771 01:19:22,105 --> 01:19:24,716 and then removed or the soil was disturbed in other ways. 1772 01:19:24,760 --> 01:19:26,805 - Definitely the soil was disturbed, without a doubt. 1773 01:19:26,849 --> 01:19:28,459 - We know something happened there, 1774 01:19:28,502 --> 01:19:29,852 somebody dug and filled it in. 1775 01:19:29,895 --> 01:19:30,983 But why? 1776 01:19:31,027 --> 01:19:32,115 What purpose? 1777 01:19:32,158 --> 01:19:34,508 That we don't know. 1778 01:19:35,901 --> 01:19:37,250 - CHRIS: The location that I was actually 1779 01:19:37,294 --> 01:19:39,644 expecting a result from, and that we're all 1780 01:19:39,687 --> 01:19:41,515 waiting for the result right now, 1781 01:19:41,559 --> 01:19:43,779 what exactly did you find there? 1782 01:19:43,822 --> 01:19:46,477 - We did electrical resistivity imaging. 1783 01:19:46,520 --> 01:19:48,958 And we found something really interesting there also. 1784 01:19:49,915 --> 01:19:51,221 - What was it? 1785 01:19:51,264 --> 01:19:52,918 - We were able to go through an image, 1786 01:19:52,962 --> 01:19:55,573 down to a depth of just about 60 feet, 1787 01:19:55,616 --> 01:19:58,271 so I was really happy with the data results there. 1788 01:19:58,315 --> 01:20:00,186 So, we went through and modeled it up. 1789 01:20:00,230 --> 01:20:01,535 We're starting at the entrance gate 1790 01:20:01,579 --> 01:20:03,363 at the radar facility, and then heading 1791 01:20:03,407 --> 01:20:05,670 to that main road that's to the north. 1792 01:20:05,713 --> 01:20:09,500 What these colors represent are the resistances of soils. 1793 01:20:09,543 --> 01:20:11,981 And so you can see most of the area we're looking in 1794 01:20:12,024 --> 01:20:14,897 is in these yellows and blues. 1795 01:20:14,940 --> 01:20:18,204 The two areas of interest were in this very bright 1796 01:20:18,248 --> 01:20:23,253 red area and then this dark blue area. 1797 01:20:23,296 --> 01:20:25,298 - CHRIS: How large of an area is this? 1798 01:20:25,342 --> 01:20:28,432 - The red area is in the range of, I would say 1799 01:20:28,475 --> 01:20:32,436 between 20 and 30 feet in diameter. 1800 01:20:32,479 --> 01:20:34,917 In terms of depth, the top of the feature 1801 01:20:34,960 --> 01:20:37,702 was probably right around 20 feet. 1802 01:20:37,745 --> 01:20:40,923 So we're looking at a very significant structure. 1803 01:20:40,966 --> 01:20:42,489 Yeah, it's pretty deep. 1804 01:20:42,533 --> 01:20:44,883 That means you have soils in there or earth materials 1805 01:20:44,927 --> 01:20:46,319 that have a lot of metal in them. 1806 01:20:46,363 --> 01:20:48,669 And so the possible scenario would be, 1807 01:20:48,713 --> 01:20:52,804 some kind of buried concrete, reinforced structure. 1808 01:20:52,848 --> 01:20:55,198 - Could it be part of a tunnel? 1809 01:20:55,241 --> 01:20:57,330 Or are you seeing enough here to tell you 1810 01:20:57,374 --> 01:20:59,593 that there is not space on either side? 1811 01:20:59,637 --> 01:21:02,466 - Since we're looking at just basically a vertical slice, 1812 01:21:02,509 --> 01:21:05,338 we really can't tell what's going on to either side of it. 1813 01:21:05,382 --> 01:21:08,254 - So guys, based on these anomalies 1814 01:21:08,298 --> 01:21:10,039 you've found here, what's your best guess 1815 01:21:10,082 --> 01:21:12,780 as to what you're seeing with this data? 1816 01:21:12,824 --> 01:21:14,870 - I can't think of any kind of a natural 1817 01:21:14,913 --> 01:21:18,047 geological mechanism that would be responsible 1818 01:21:18,090 --> 01:21:19,918 for that type of thing, so the indication would be 1819 01:21:19,962 --> 01:21:21,702 possibly we've got some kind of buried 1820 01:21:21,746 --> 01:21:23,704 man made structure in that area. 1821 01:21:25,097 --> 01:21:26,490 - See, there's not supposed to be anything there, 1822 01:21:26,533 --> 01:21:28,535 so the fact that you've found that is amazing. 1823 01:21:30,146 --> 01:21:32,322 - GeoView's findings out by the radar tower 1824 01:21:32,365 --> 01:21:35,891 are more interesting because the anomaly is larger, 1825 01:21:35,934 --> 01:21:37,805 it's deeper under ground, 1826 01:21:37,849 --> 01:21:40,808 it seems to include metal of some kind, 1827 01:21:40,852 --> 01:21:43,681 it has the right conductivity for that. 1828 01:21:43,724 --> 01:21:45,639 The blueprints we've seen don't show 1829 01:21:45,683 --> 01:21:47,163 any structures under ground. 1830 01:21:47,206 --> 01:21:49,121 So here is an anomaly. 1831 01:21:49,165 --> 01:21:51,210 The question is what is it? 1832 01:21:52,298 --> 01:21:53,821 Is it an underground tunnel system? 1833 01:21:53,865 --> 01:21:55,649 Or is it just, I don't know, 1834 01:21:55,693 --> 01:21:58,130 a fuel tank or a storage room? 1835 01:21:59,827 --> 01:22:01,612 - NARRATOR: Proof, certainly, that something large 1836 01:22:01,655 --> 01:22:03,831 exists in the bowels of Camp Hero 1837 01:22:03,875 --> 01:22:06,530 that's not in the official government record. 1838 01:22:06,573 --> 01:22:09,620 Yet is it definitive evidence of the extraordinary claims 1839 01:22:09,663 --> 01:22:11,883 that make up the Montauk Project? 1840 01:22:11,927 --> 01:22:15,104 For Garetano, it's proof enough as to why 1841 01:22:15,147 --> 01:22:17,889 he's been obsessed for over a decade. 1842 01:22:17,933 --> 01:22:20,718 - After all these years, we've found evidence. 1843 01:22:20,761 --> 01:22:23,112 We've found something beneath Camp Hero. 1844 01:22:24,417 --> 01:22:25,941 What we're witnessing is the progression 1845 01:22:25,984 --> 01:22:28,900 towards really proving this to be true. 1846 01:22:28,944 --> 01:22:30,206 Especially with the stuff we found 1847 01:22:30,249 --> 01:22:32,208 at the end of our journey. 1848 01:22:32,251 --> 01:22:34,950 I think in the next five years or so 1849 01:22:34,993 --> 01:22:37,648 we're gonna find out that this thing happened. 1850 01:22:37,691 --> 01:22:40,564 I really do and I think we're an integral part to that. 1851 01:22:42,958 --> 01:22:44,307 - NARRATOR: For Eisler and Volk, 1852 01:22:44,350 --> 01:22:46,657 exploring this strange, mysterious site 1853 01:22:46,700 --> 01:22:49,877 has been a stepping stone to a larger goal. 1854 01:22:49,921 --> 01:22:51,140 - The fact is the government has done 1855 01:22:51,183 --> 01:22:52,837 lots of wonderful things. 1856 01:22:52,880 --> 01:22:56,058 America is the greatest nation in the history of the earth, 1857 01:22:56,101 --> 01:22:59,061 but it's perpetrated a lot of evil too. 1858 01:23:00,671 --> 01:23:02,847 - What happens is there's this huge wall of secrecy 1859 01:23:02,890 --> 01:23:05,502 and then what leaks, what gets past that wall 1860 01:23:05,545 --> 01:23:08,592 are some pretty atrocious and horrifying programs. 1861 01:23:08,635 --> 01:23:09,680 - NARRATOR: Project Stargate... 1862 01:23:09,723 --> 01:23:10,855 MKUltra... 1863 01:23:10,898 --> 01:23:12,248 Area 51... 1864 01:23:12,291 --> 01:23:13,858 Dugway Proving Ground... 1865 01:23:13,901 --> 01:23:15,947 Operation Seaspray... 1866 01:23:15,991 --> 01:23:18,776 a fraction of the theories and projects that have all been 1867 01:23:18,819 --> 01:23:22,258 linked, like Montauk, to deep, dark government conspiracies 1868 01:23:22,301 --> 01:23:23,955 in American history... 1869 01:23:23,999 --> 01:23:25,957 and all worthy of investigation... 1870 01:23:26,001 --> 01:23:28,264 onThe Dark Files .